I think the drone found on that planet in early VGR was quite old. Also, they were around when the Vaadwaur went to sleep, which was 700-800 years ago or something.
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Well, according to Crusher. Also, the Vaadwauri guy noted they were a rather undeveloped mennace 700 to 800 years ago... so maybe they're only about 900 years old... at least... in the form we know them now. It would all depend on exactly what their origin is.
"I'm not sure why alien abducteers would bother to pick up bits of space junk and them dump them light years away in deep space."
Perhaps a Pakled ship saw it, so they grabbed it w/ their tractor beam. But, they forgot how to open the cargo bay doors, so they just towed it along behind them. Then someone pushed the wrong button ad the ship blew up. Either that, or they annoyed someone unfriendsly, who blew hem up.
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quote:Originally posted by Dat: The Borg would have no reason to construct a transwarp conduit near Earth until the 24th century.
No but Janeway's time-meddling could have caused a AFFECT in TIME.
Might have been what caused the Enterprise to go back to 1966 in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"! - Yes they said a black-sun/black-hole but they might not have known what the anomaly was.
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The Royale BE 800 (1) Fermat comes up with his famous last theorem. CE 1648-1651
BE 332 A fifty-second state is added to the United States of America. CE 2033
BE 328 The Charybdis is launched on Earth. Before it becomes the first manned mission to travel outside the solar system, it encounters an unknown alien lifeform, which apparently unintentionally kills nearly all the crew and transports the ship to the planet Theta 116 VIII. July 23, CE 2037
BE 321 The Charybdis arrives at Theta 116 VIII. (2) CE 2044
BE 283 Colonel Stephen Richey dies on Theta 116 VIII. CE 2082
TNG 1+176 days "The Royale" Stardate 42625.4 CE 2365
1.) Fermat's Last Theorem is closer to 700 than 800 years old at this time.
2.) In his only diary entry, Colonel Richey says he has been at the Hotel Royale for 38 years. This was presumably written at or near the end of his life.
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Are we sure ir was Earth orbit? Better survival chances (for the sattelite, not the corpsicles) in solar orbit - and more sunlight for the solar panels.
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quote: BE 321 The Charybdis arrives at Theta 116 VIII. (2) CE 2044
Ok, according to the mission report contact with the Charybdis was lost in 2038, one year into the mission (give or take). That gives a travel time of 6 years, assuming it could have somehow reached 10% ls like the Botany Bay that gives us a maximum range of...0.4 light years. Considering that Alpha Centari is 4.3 light years away, I think it's safe to say that the Charybdis didn't arrive in Theta 116 under it's own power...which just happens to have been a "Block-D Fission Core" if that has any bearing on the subject.
quote:Originally posted by Treknophyle: Are we sure ir was Earth orbit? Better survival chances (for the sattelite, not the corpsicles) in solar orbit - and more sunlight for the solar panels.
Best not to get too close to the sun, otherwise you might get your circuits fried by some nasty gamma rays...or risk defrosting the cargo.
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RE: Charybdis Correction, it's a "BLOCK D GAS-CORE FISSION REACTOR PROPULSION SYSTEM" whatever that is.
Contact was in fact lost some 6 months and 14 days into the flight.
quote: DEPARTURE: 07-23-2037 LOST: 2-07-2038,
It's still not clear if the Alien encounter is responsible for the cut off or there was a malfunction and they simply chanced upon the aliens.
The mission report dose have one interesting reference to how fast it could go.
quote: VEHICLE SYSTEMS AT TELEMETRY CUTOFF INDICATED THRUST ABNORMALITY; VEHICLE ATTAINED 12X SOLAR ESCAPE VELOCITY 2.56 HOURS EARLIER THAN PLANNED. ASSUMED VEHICLE LOST WITH CONSUMABLES RUNOUT, 20% POSSIBILITY OF CREW SURVIVAL WITH HIBERNATION SYSTEMS AT LOW USAGE MODE.
For those without a calculator handy; 12x Solar escape velocity = 12 * 620 km/s = 7440 km/s Aren't I lucky that we (at the ASDB) discussed all this mathematical malarkey back when we were coming up with a design.
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Umm. I'm somewhat disappointed that the math *I* did (the challenging 10% times 270 years kind) didn't get fully implemented in the Star Charts. Sure, Gamma 400 and SB12 are placed at the distance I intended, and in the direction of Pollux as "Who Mourns" requires, AND the direction of Cetus on the assumption that Kirk didn't go very far off course when he marooned Khan at Ceti Alpha. I also intended to put the Mutara nebula and the Regula system in the immediate vicinity, even though the bit about "Space Seed" taking place in the Mutara sector isn't canon and even if such a sector might encompass a number of other locations as well.
But Mandel still put the Mutara Nebula near the real Alpha Ceti, instead of using a fictional "Mu Ceti A" or somesuch next to SB12. An unfortunate communications failure, and a good lesson on the need for beta-checks...
The Charybdis' original mission didn't seem all that ambitious - a few hundred AUs out, hang around, test some life support stuff and Air Force secret weapons, get back. 12 times solar escape velocity seems a bit excessive for an intended performance. I'd say the engine was redlining badly, and would just have destroyed the vessel before actual interstellar ranges could have been achieved. The aliens would probably have interfered as a life-saving measure.
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Hmm, very interesting... But Timo, the quote above from Reverend says "VEHICLE ATTAINED 12X SOLAR ESCAPE VELOCITY 2.56 HOURS EARLIER THAN PLANNED" -- which implies that the ship was meant to go that fast.
However, that might be explained by saying that reaching a certain velocity sooner than expected means greater acceleration, which in itself could be considered "redlining."
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quote: But Mandel still put the Mutara Nebula near the real Alpha Ceti, instead of using a fictional "Mu Ceti A" or somesuch next to SB12. An unfortunate communications failure, and a good lesson on the need for beta-checks...
Ah, we have a star charts expert! Good, you can tell us where he put Theta 116.
quote: The Charybdis' original mission didn't seem all that ambitious - a few hundred AUs out, hang around, test some life support stuff and Air Force secret weapons, get back. 12 times solar escape velocity seems a bit excessive for an intended performance. I'd say the engine was redlining badly, and would just have destroyed the vessel before actual interstellar ranges could have been achieved.
Well if it was the third manned attempt to escape the solar system you can forgive NASA for being a little cautious after two sucessive failures...you have to give them credit though, even after three failures they still sent out the Jacob, doesn't sound like the NASA we know. Perhaps this is a result of the USAF involvement? They must have really wanted to test that gizmo. Perhaps that Gizmo was a Botany Bay detector
quote: The aliens would probably have interfered as a life-saving measure.
I'm pretty sure that it was said that the alien intervention is what unintentionally killed all but one of the crew, which is why they felt guilty and made a little home for him.
The alien(s) must have been very alien indeed, not your run-of-the-mill latex forehead jobs if they managed to somehow snag a primitive space vessel and drag it across space, far enough that they don't know which system they picked it up in. Possibly something similar to the Caretaker's race, Nagilum, the Excalibans or the wormhole aliens? It'd have to be a race advanced enough to manipulate the fabric of space to cause that funky business with the revolving doors, have the ability to create the hotel and the human players. Not to mention the ability to read an alien language and interpret abstract descriptions into a detailed and solid construction.
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The reactor systems are lifted from the description of those of the Discovery from 2001 -- a chamber that uses gaseous ammonia as the fissionable reaction mass, carried in slush tanks along the spine of the ship. I don't know what bearing that would have on your Charybdis design though...
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