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Oh yeah -- I forgot about how they allowed some time to try and rescue Kirk.
Of course, on the other side there's the Tholian attack on a starbase which almost killed Kyle Riker. (Waitaminute -- wouldn't that mean they're GOOD guys? Although pretty sloppy ones, if they killed everyone but the guy they were trying to get. )
From what I recall, the Tholians even had an ambassador that stopped at DS9 on a couple of occasions by the time of the show -- Sisko obtained some Tholian silk from him, IIRC.
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Over the course of DS9, we hear about the Tholians maybe four or five times, and they appear to be taking an active interest in galactic politics in all their mentions. (Touring the station, sitting in on some summit meeting on Earth, etc.) That is to say, an interest relative to their earlier mentions in TNG, which seemed all angry and stuff.
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Such a turnaround is unlikely but by no means impossible, for all we know there could there could have been some kind of coup within the Tholian Assembly that toppled the old opressive regime and made room for a new forward looking government. Perhaps all the previous hostility was based on poor communication and misunderstanding, maybe the Tholians early attempts at diplomacy with other species was met with hostility or violence which is the root of their xenophibia (who knows, the Hur'q could have been to Tholia). The turnaround could be the result of something as simple as an act of mercy, a Federation vessel coming to the aid of a stricken Tholian warship perhaps?
Either way I just hope that B&B put some serious thought into developing the Tholians and don't just paint them as 2-D "not-quite-bad-guys" like how the Ferengi ended up.
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I do'nt think any huge change is needed. Leaders die, New more progressive leaders come to power: look at the Soviet Union in the 50 years alone....and nobody said it was the Tholian government that attacked the starbase...
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I was going to say, it's not like the Tholians are everybody's best pal in the future. They're just more involved, politically.
And, of course, the Tholians are arguably not "bad guys" in this episode, since their motives are so obscured. The future ship really did turn out to be dangerous, after all.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I do'nt think any huge change is needed. Leaders die, New more progressive leaders come to power: look at the Soviet Union in the 50 years alone....and nobody said it was the Tholian government that attacked the starbase...
Maybe; maybe not. Throughout TNG, the Tholians were basically regarded as enemies -- like Sol said. They attacked a starbase, they had an interest in the Klingon Civil War (or the potential for one, re: "Reunion"), and also the simulated battle that Riker fought in the Academy against a Tholian ship... that sounds like a rather consistent series of events prior to around 2368 or so. Not just random aggression like the various Klingon incidents we've seen.
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Well, let me try to clear things up. I'm not saying that there was any unreasonable change in the attitude of the Tholians between TNG and DS9. Just that, in DS9, they seemed to be opening up a bit. That's all. Nothing that requires a complete government change or anything.
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He must have fixed Porthos too....the dog has been absent for the past couple of episodes....even in the Captain's quarters.
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Geez...how greedy: He already had more lines than Merriweather!
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I wonder if a primitive version of the dimensionally transcendental tech is on the Enterprise E? It would explain the 24-26-29 deck enigma
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