quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: 2ndry deflector trench?
It's on the Voyager... what else?
The Nova has it, the Prommie sketch had it on the third section (pretty sure) and the Defiant and Hediki both have that "nozzle" thing for a deflector and those are diffrent races!
Still...I love both illustrator's work and think they've done more for Trek's look and overall coolness than amost anyone else.
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: 2ndry deflector trench?
It's on the Voyager... what else?
The Nova has it, the Prommie sketch had it on the third section (pretty sure) and the Defiant and Hediki both have that "nozzle" thing for a deflector and those are diffrent races!
Still...I love both illustrator's work and think they've done more for Trek's look and overall coolness than amost anyone else.
Well it's called by Okuda "Technology Unchained" - or was that Gene?
Anyway - I think it's a nice next step to have the Prommie with a 2ndry deflector like The Voyager. It MAKES sense to have one too.
That Hideki notch - Didn't Chris Martin design that ship - PLUS that 'notch' is about as notchy as the Sydney Class.
Personally, I think Andy Probert, Bill George, Chris Martin and Greg Jein have had a bigger, well COOLER effect than Eaves.
The Enterprise-E may look cool from a distance - but on closer scruity it fails. I *HATE* the hull detailing - it's so... CGI-ish.
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quote:(originally posted by Jason Abbadon): Eaves will be a key guest at Wonderfest later this month and several of us modelers will be asking many questions about this new ship.
When you talk to him, Jason, perhaps you could ask him about the other designs he made for the ENT Starfleet vessels for "The Expanse." I remember reading an interview with Eaves in which he stated that he designed five ships, but only the Intrepid & the Iceland were picked. Even descriptions would be nice, if not actual CG pics.
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And the scout/science vessel from The Defector and The Next Phase is THE SAME design, save for some minor modifications to its bridge. Thus what are we left with? The D'deridex and Vreenak's courier from In The Pale Moonlight (why you thought of Inter Arma... I don't know). Whoopdidoo, what a lineage. Here's an idea for you: be glad some new ships were built at all for Minefield and Nemesis instead of whining petulantly about how pointed their fuselages are or how their color doesn't match the EXACT RGB value of the Warbird's hull or how their nacelle pods are too Dominionish in style or whatever.
"Hey, maybe the engineers just drifted into a new and different direction and but so therefore I don't actually have to lose my sanity over fitting it into what little continuity has already been established"? Eh? EH?
1. The fact that the Romulans used the D'Deridex for nigh on 15 years is saying something.
2. I meant TNG design - OBVIOUSLY - not TOS in the 15 year remark.
3. Whining is what people do here best, but when I do it... WELL - SOH-REE!
4. Well yes I did say - that in summary the worst part about the Valdore are the "Eaves Trade-mark Pods". THAT's a long stretch for any of them
5. Didn't get into the Ship for Minefield - an Eave's design based on the classic TOS Wah Chang design. I liked it - it was nice.
6. Even if the scout/science Rommie vessels were nearly the same - says something about their vessel type reusage.
7. I AM glad in Nemesis they didn't really change the Romulan Captial city.
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quote:(originally posted by Jason Abbadon): Eaves will be a key guest at Wonderfest later this month and several of us modelers will be asking many questions about this new ship.
When you talk to him, Jason, perhaps you could ask him about the other designs he made for the ENT Starfleet vessels for "The Expanse." I remember reading an interview with Eaves in which he stated that he designed five ships, but only the Intrepid & the Iceland were picked. Even descriptions would be nice, if not actual CG pics.
Financial considerations have made my attendance impossible, but I have a list of questions that my freinds are going to ask...I also want his opinion on the Son'a Battleship I built of his design. (I really wanted to get it signed though!).
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: 1. The fact that the Romulans used the D'Deridex for nigh on 15 years is saying something.
It's saying that TPTB couldn't be bothered building a new Romulan ship when they didn't have to. Remember, we only got one new Klingon ship design during TNG, and another in DS9, and they were in the latter show a lot more than the Romulans.
quote:The Enterprise-E may look cool from a distance - but on closer scruity it fails. I *HATE* the hull detailing - it's so... CGI-ish.
Even on the physical model?
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: That Hideki notch - Didn't Chris Martin design that ship - PLUS that 'notch' is about as notchy as the Sydney Class.
Personally, I think Andy Probert, Bill George, Chris Martin and Greg Jein have had a bigger, well COOLER effect than Eaves.
I designed Trek ships?
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And he was in Liverpool uni watching Keane a few weeks ago, apparently. But he wore a hooded top as a cunning disguise.
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: "Nemesis": Valdore. Eaves-esque 'nacelle pods'. Everything all pointy (why - this isn't fluidic space). That's beside the point. The ship doesn't really match anything we've seen of the Romulans previously - apart from the colour - and even that is off. It looks like an Eaves'd-up Klingon Bird of Prey.
Actually - it's pretty much just the pods that annoy me in that design...
So you don't like the nacelles, eh? Imagine the D'deridex nacelles with their bottom halves removed and the remains of their aft end smoothed off -- that's the Valdore nacelles. The Valdore dropped the D'deridex lower wings and the nacelle bottoms with it. The two types of nacelles are even very close in overall length. All seems reasonable to me.
The Valdore is basically a more streamlined and sleek D'deridex. It looks more striking (IMO obviously) but it's also a more practical design from a time-to-build and resource usage standpoint. The massive lower hull and tail of the D'deridex doesn't strike me as particularly practical or useful.
Comparing the Valdore to D'deridex: It still has a similar head, it still has the dual hull neck, it still has lower support framework for the wings and nacelles, the wings still have the same feather pattern, and the ship's colour is consistent with how D'deridex appeared during DS9. Even the aspects that look similar to the Klingon BoP could rather be attributed as throwbacks to the D7.
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Well...the only thing that kinda annoyed me about the Valdore (besides their complete ineffectivness in battle) is that the ship moves too much like a very small ship (it even banks like a KBOP when it turns!).
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I didn't really mind the movement of the Valdores. It seemed reasonable for them, but it did seem a bit much the way the much larger Scimitar zoomed around. And yeah, the Scimitar also took down the Romulan ships a bit too quickly/easily for my liking.
I realise that Eaves intentionally made the Valdore to be similar to the Klingon BoP, but I actually found the Scimitar to remind me of a giant BoP (in attack mode, wings down) more than anything else. The wings with guns at the end, the lowered angle of the wings, the stocky neck and body, and the inboard nacelles -- it all just reeked of uber KBoP crossed with Jemmy cruiser.
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