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With gimmick ships like Scimitar, the Prommie's split-combo reforming sillyness and Voyager's flapping nacelles, they're headed for a Power Rangers color-coordinated-combo-ship: mark my words.
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They are cool if they exist in anime form. In the Star Trek universe...no no no no no.
And to be fair, it was a really, really, really bad episode in which the Maurader extended its neck, and it didn't make any sense at the time anyway(I only know what the hell was going on because I've read some behind the scenes stuff).
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: They are cool if they exist in anime form. In the Star Trek universe...no no no no no.
Agreed: although even in anime, the SDF-1 transforming into an uber-robot is idiotic in the extreme.
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"With gimmick ships like Scimitar, the Prommie's split-combo reforming sillyness and Voyager's flapping nacelles, they're headed for a Power Rangers color-coordinated-combo-ship: mark my words."
Down with the Klingon Bird of Prey! Destroy the separable Galaxy class! Smash the Defiant's nose into little pieces!
Okay, so we never actually saw that last one, but still. The point stands that some quite well-liked designs had the same sort of stuff.
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quote:Originally posted by Topher: Maybe I've missed something, but I don't remember the Marauder extending its neck...
Aren't you suppossed to be some sort of walking encyclopedia of starship knowledge.
The Marauder extended its neck in "The Last Outpost". It was first season. It was stupid. It had Ferengi jumping and twirling their arms around like retards. It had Data making strange snide remarks on the bridge. It had a stupid sub-plot involving Chinese Finger Puzzles. It...was...crap.
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The effect of extending the neck of the Marauder was poor because virtually no one noticed it (only the step-by-step analysis shows that the ship wasn't simply tilted). That may have been the reason not to show it again.
Concerning the Tellarite vessel, something more imaginative would have been better for a race supposed to reappear. But better a modification of Alice than yet another Nenebek clone!
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"With gimmick ships like Scimitar, the Prommie's split-combo reforming sillyness and Voyager's flapping nacelles, they're headed for a Power Rangers color-coordinated-combo-ship: mark my words."
Down with the Klingon Bird of Prey! Destroy the separable Galaxy class! Smash the Defiant's nose into little pieces!
Okay, so we never actually saw that last one, but still. The point stands that some quite well-liked designs had the same sort of stuff.
The (scout sized) KBOP having movable wings to land actually makes sense (as does the Galaxy seperation and even the Defiant's warhead to some extent) but adding in moving parts onto gigantic starships for nothing but a supposed "coolness factor" is dumb. The Scimitar would have been almost all internal machinery to allow those millions of tons of mass to transform like that. The larger the ship the less likely moving parts become (I have no issue with moving parts on small ships if it serves a function).
Goofy.
As to The Last Outpost, it did have one cool moment: the use of holographic displays during the briefing was neat (though seldom seen afterward).
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quote:Originally posted by Bernd: The effect of extending the neck of the Marauder was poor because virtually no one noticed it (only the step-by-step analysis shows that the ship wasn't simply tilted). That may have been the reason not to show it again.
Indeed. That was almost 20 years ago now, and until it was mentioned in this thread I'd never heard of or noticed it, even when I was going through the episodes with an itchy pause finger while grabbing screencaps.
That blew my mind. I can't even tell what's moving where, exactly, but I'll check it out.
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There was that VOY episode with the Ferengi and the geodesic fold and the thing. The second one. In season seven. I think. Someone help me. Now.
Yeah, it was "Inside Man".
But, nevertheless, it would have been nice to see some Marauders in some hopeless battle with the Dominion just for the shits-and-giggles effect OR at least as one of the zillions of reused ships seen over and over docked at DS9.
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"The (scout sized) KBOP having movable wings to land actually makes sense (as does the Galaxy seperation and even the Defiant's warhead to some extent) but adding in moving parts onto gigantic starships for nothing but a supposed 'coolness factor' is dumb."
You think the real-life reason for the Galaxy to separate was anything but "coolness factor"? Come on. They spent five minutes showing just that in the first episode. And almost never afterward. It was nothing but a gimmick.
And I don't see how "variable warp geometry" is any less of a valid reason for moving parts than the others. Especially the BoP. Why not just build the thing with its wings already far enough up to land?
" The Scimitar would have been almost all internal machinery to allow those millions of tons of mass to transform like that."
Well, the Scimitar was a little pointless. Note that I didn't bring it up. However, to be fair, the Romulans already have one ship design that's unnecessarily huge. If we assume they do that just to be intimidating, it's not overly surprising that they might come up with a ship that can "make itself look big" like a cat or something.
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