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Harry
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Very nice. I didn't catch the actual, visible emitters the first time around.

And the MSD is really the exact same as the CC version.

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Ach, me Wee Bairns! Thank you!

Lovely stuff about "Archer IV" and all - did we know Shran's first name prior to this? Somebody was having fun writing that little piece. Hoshi's bio is far less imaginative.

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HISTORICAL ARCHIVE: STARFLEET PERSONNEL

STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: ARCHER, JONATHAN
SERIAL NUMBER: SA-022-9237-CY

Rank at retirement: Admiral, Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Former assignments:
Commanding officer, Enterprise NX-01, 2150-2160
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169-2175
Federation Councilman, 2175-2183
President, UFP 2184-2192
Birthplace: Upstate New York, North America, Earth
Parents: Henry and Sally Archer

PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE

Charming, bold, a born explorer, Archer was guided by a core of human decency and
intuition, even when they contravene direct orders. He was independent, yet had a
strong sense of duty. Archer held a grudge against the Vulcans, whom he blamed for
keeping humanity stuck on Earth, but he learned to cope with a Vulcan science
officer. As captain of a starship his father helped build, Archer was eager to make
history and see what's out there.

BIOGRAPHICAL OVERVIEW

Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan Archer was appointed captain of Starfleet's first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. As an explorer
and peacemaker, his name is among the most recognized in the Federation, and his pioneering voyages aboard the Enterprise are known to school children
on dozens of worlds, many of which were unknown to humans in Archer's lifetime. Historian John Gill called Archer the "greated explorer of the 22nd
Century." Archer earned an impressive list of commendations during his career, including a Medal of Valor with clusters, the Star Cross, the XXXXXXXXXX
Ribbon of Commendation, and the Federation Citation of Honor. Archer was also appointed an honorary member of the Andorian Guard by General Thy'lek
Shran in 2164. He's the only human to have two planets named in his honor: ARCHER'S PLANET in the Gamma Trianguli sector, and Archer IV, which
orbits 61 Ursae Majoris. Archer IV was the first M-Class world charted by the famous explorer. Although the planet was uninhabitable throughout the 22nd
Century due to toxic pollen in the atmosphere, an antidote to the pollen was discovered early in the 2200's. Today, the population of Archer IV number[s]
more than seven hundred million.

Jonathan Archer grew up dreaming of the day when he would get to go "where no man has gone before". His father was the respected Henry Archer, who led
the development of the Warp Five engine in the footsteps of warp pioneer Zephram Cochrane. So it is fitting that Jonathan would carry on the family legacy

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One more, showing the phaser turrets on the primary hull...
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Here's some nice Gorn pics!

Talking to communicator without moving his lips...
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Pretending he's SpiderMan...
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Wrestling with Archer...
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Taking a nap...
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Episode writer Mike Sussman wrote the biographical screens for Archer and Sato and posted them on the TrekBBS:

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Posted by MikeSussman:
For those who are curious, here's the complete text I created for the Archer/Hoshi on-screen bios. Some of the text on-screen was taken directly from the Star Trek.com bios on the characters; this is the stuff I made up.


STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: Archer, Jonathan
Serial Number: SA-022-9237-CY

Rank at retirement: Admiral, Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Former Assignments:
Commanding officer, Enterprise NX-01, 2150-2160
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169-2175
Federation Councilman, 2175-2183
President, UFP 2184-2192
Birthplace: Upstate New York, North America, Earth
Parents: Henry and Sally Archer

Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan Archer was appointed captain of Starfleet�s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. As an explorer and peacemaker, his name is among the most recognized in the Federation, and his pioneering voyages aboard the Enterprise are known to school children on dozens of worlds, many of which were unknown to humans in Archer�s lifetime. Historian John Gill called Archer the �greatest explorer of the 22nd Century.� Archer earned an impressive list of commendations during his career, including a Medal of Valor, with clusters, the Star Cross, the Preantares Ribbon of Commendation, and the Federation Citation of Honor. Archer was also appointed an honorary member of the Andorian Guard by General Thy�lek Shran in 2164. He�s the only human to have two planets named in his honor: Archer�s Planet in the Gamma Trianguli sector, and Archer IV, which orbits 61 Ursae Majoris. Archer IV was the first M-Class world charted by the famous explorer. Although the planet was uninhabitable throughout the 22nd Century due to toxic pollen in the atmosphere, an antidote to the pollen was discovered early in the 2200�s. Today, the population of Archer IV numbers more than seven hundred million.


When I wrote this, I assumed the text wouldn't be legible (silly me). There are probably some errors in here. One I can spot -- Archer took command of Enterprise in 2151, not 2150. Some of this text would seem to be contradicted by the finale (which obviously had not been written yet). The name Sally, unless I'm mistaken, is also the name of Scott Bakula's mother.

Moreover, there was a final section of text that didn't actually appear on screen:

Archer died peacefully in his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701.

Yeah, he would've been old, but pretty close to McCoy's age in "Encounter at Farpoint."

This is the text I created for Hoshi's bio:

STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
Serial Number: SA-037-0198-CL
Rank at retirement: Lieutenant Commander
Former Assignment: Communications and Protocol officer, Enterprise NX-01
Birthplace: Kyoto, Japan, Earth

Hoshi Sato served as translator, and protocol and communications officer on Starfleet�s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129, she was the second child in a family of three. After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use aboard Federation starships today.


Since the dialogue stated that the file contained info on Hoshi's marriage and death, I created a final paragraph -- it's worth noting that this was NOT shown on-screen:

Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony�s population. Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto with her husband, Takashi Kimura.

I wouldn't really consider any of this "hard canon," so take it all with a grain of salt. [Wink] Both bios were slapped together hastily and weren't approved by the exec producers. Some trivia -- the name of Hoshi's "husband" was cobbled together from actors in some favorite Japanese films -- Hoshi and Linda Park share the same birthday.

Tim Gaskill and I discuss this some more on the podcast at startrek.com.

Legible screencaps:
http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/646/IaMD_archer_bio.jpg
http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/646/IaMD_hoshi_bio.jpg

As someone on the TrekBBS pointed out, the "mistake" about when Archer assumed command of the NX-01 isn't really a mistake if one considers that he said he beat out Robinson for command six months prior to launch in "First Flight," making it somewhere around November 2150. ("Broken Bow" was April of 2151.)

Too bad that bit about Hoshi's run-in with Kodos the Executioner didn't make the ep. She could have been teen-Kirk's language tutor! [Razz]

-MMoM [Big Grin]

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The second part was WAY better than the first part!! (The episodes I'm talking about).

Just two things - this is the first time where the Constitution has looked like a REAL (heh) starship at warp - we'll we've never seen it before now - but I didn't know how/couldn't picture how it would look. Even though we've had the E-refit/E-A which is pretty much the same shape. Anyway the Defiant looked BEAUTIFUL!

The end... the END was AWESOME!

Loved it. As someone said - it was the junior officers revenge! Pitty they weren't given anything meaty in the "real universe".

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I just watched the episode again - twice in just a few hours. FANTASTIC! Luuuurve the ending!

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I felt the opposite. I thought the first part was much better than the second. It seemed like the second part suffered from too many plot ideas. We had repairing the Defiant. We had a monster on the loose. We had taking over the empire.

And none of these plot ideas went really far. Just seemed confusing.

I don't think I liked the Gorn as much as I wanted to. He seemed to look a bit too much like a T-Rex (and not the band).

I really don't like the idea or running into the Gorns. Two weeks ago they are mentioned to Archer and this week Mirror-Archer sees one. Again we have a race mentioned and seen that first-contact isn't made with until the 23rd or 24th centuries.

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Did anybody notice that the gorn had reptilian eyes instead of the silver bug eyes from TOS"Arena"? Does this mean that those silver eyes where some sort of contact lenses or other protective eyewear.

I also have to agree with herbshrump that IaMD partI was much better than partII because partII had too much going on in only 1 hour. What really irked me was that the Defiant survives. If this is the case, than why are connies still being used in Kirk's era. Wouldn't the empire obviously improve upon this future technology so that by the time of "Mirror,Mirror" MU Kirk would be cruising around in a galaxy class.

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Unless Mirrir-Kirk wasn't a favored captain and was commanding a low-end ship...

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"[Gorn] Talking to communicator without moving his lips..."

Since they made a point of mentioning that the translator was turned on, I suspect we were supposed to be seeing the Gorn speaking in his own language. Even though this is irregular in Trek, I guess they wanted to emphasize his alienness. Or they just thought it was neat. But, since his throat was moving, and there was a grunting, hissing sound going on underneath his English speech, I think we were supposed to be getting a glimpse of actual Gornese.

"What really irked me was that the Defiant survives. If this is the case, than why are connies still being used in Kirk's era."

Who says it survived? It survived until the end of the episode. The episode ended with "Empress Sato" getting ready to attack Earth. For all we know, she failed, and the ship was destroyed. But, perhaps the plans survived (someone recovered enough of the computer core of the ISS NX-01, or something), and it took until the mid-2200s before they managed to use those plans to build more Constitutions.

On a different note, after Archer banged Sato in the captain's quarters, then showed up on the bridge in his velour uniform, I really wanted him to say "Trip! I have bedded a woman! Inform the crew."

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quote:
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Get those missiles ready to destroy the (other) universe!

For science!

So, er, I don't remember those power thingies (the red bars Phlox was sabotaging) from TOS, yet they looked like they belonged. My memory for things not involving TMBG lyrics is bad, though. Have we seen those before?

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I've been listening to the commentary, and I'm left wishing there'd be a way to watch all those scenes that had to be cut from the episodes to make them fit into the usual episode length...
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Did we know Shran's first name before?

And finally we know the truth - the MU is fundamentally skewed in some way, their literature is much darker with nastier characters. Just like in Dark Mirror.

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