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Sol System
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Having just read Vulcan's Heart, those ships are intended to be modern warbirds. I don't recall a name ever being given to them, though. (The picture on the front shows us a nice big D'deridex, though.) I don't happen to agree with the class being that old.

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TSN
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Okay, so if Picard said "type-B", and Data said "D'deridex", then what the hell did Worf say?! *L*

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The_Tom
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Odds are, he said "Wheapons"

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Nim
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I know this has nothing to do with ship lengths, but it has been bugging me for a while ever since i thought about it, probably just a misunderstanding. The Enterprise-C existed when starfleet uniforms where still red'n white, right, so that places it before 2350 at least, well I guess you have the correct dates of its service time. The thing is I saw a ("canon")painting of the Enterprise-C defending the klingon outpost as was destined by fate, but the romulans attacking it was D'dericex class!!!
They never came out of hiding until "Neutral Zone" so they couldn't have existed then!

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The_Tom
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Nimrod.. I know the picture you're referring to, but that things not canon...

Narendra III was 2344, IIRC.

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Dax
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Hmmm, seems I've opened a can of worms here. Thanks to everyone for the feedback - I've been away for a couple of days. Thanks Boris, for Probert's original length.

Alot of the DS9 Tech Manual figures seem dodgy. It is hard to accept them as canon even though they come from Sternbach and co.

Warbird lower and upper length limits? I would say between ~900m and (the previously mentioned) 1341m. It is rather difficult to compare ship sizes from watching VFX scenes. It is even more difficult when using vidcaps (the sense of perspective is easily lost in a stationary image).

I agree with Bernd. Every ship class/type/design should have one fixed scale/length. Even the annoying BOP.

I'm pretty sure the Warbirds mentioned in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' are of a different design than the ones that exist now. In 'The Neutral Zone' the D bridge crew were surprised by the menacing appearance of the Romulan ship (implying that they hadn't seen that design before then).

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Sol System
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Starfleet probably didn't know too much about the warbirds that attacked Narendra III either. I don't get the feeling that the Enterprise was given a chance to send any reports back.

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Nim
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But the didn't the klingons survive to thank Starfleet?

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Somewhere I saw a different representation of the Narendra III battle and the artist came up with a different design for the Romulan ships. I wish I had it on my computer. I liked the design. I doubt the ships that attacked E-C were the class of warbirds we are familiar with since Tasha referred to "the warbirds of that era."

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Dax
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Yes, Galen, that line from Tasha certainly is a good piece of evidence supporting the theory. It is a shame that we never got to see the look of the earlier Warbirds. It is also a pity the Romulans don't use anything but D'deridex warships these days. After all, variety is the spice of life. At least the Klingons have different ships.

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Sol System
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Regarding the Klingons, relations between them and the UFP weren't too warm at the time. (Better than before Praxis, but nowhere near TNG levels.) They might not have been willing to divulge such data. Especially if the two empires were still trading technology. Perhaps the ships that attacked Narendra III were derived from Klingon designs. Certainly not a very honorable occurance.

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Good enugh for me.

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Dax
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We will probably never be sure exactly what happened at Narendra III. It is also unlikely we will get to see what those old Warbirds were like.

Weren't the Romulans and Klingons already enemies before Narendra III?

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Sol System
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The Romulans and the Klingons were never what you'd call friends. They did have an alliance for some unknown period starting during TOS and ending...well, sometime before TNG. But there was always some animosity in the relationship. As to the formal breakup of the alliance, I'd be willing to bet that economic links were maintained for a time after that. They are harder to break, after all.

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