Besides, what good are old threads if you don't drag 'em up for a kick around the block every now and then?
But the point of "Angel One" was that there had been some sort of contact between the two powers prior to "TNZ." Detecting Romulan ships is a contact ...
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It occurs to me that the early concept sketches of the Warbird show it as roughly the same length as the E-D, but much taller... then later on it gets bigger generally. Time to fish out the scanner I think...
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To go back to whether a D'Deredex is stronger than a Galaxy, we have the following:
1/ The HUGE Warbird from TNZ that the Enterprise crew were scared of.
2/ The Warbird in Tin Man than badly knocked out the Enterprises shields in a few shots.
3/ Two Warbirds against one GCS and three birds-of-prey, apparently equal. ("Shall we die together?")
4/ The Warbird that was scared of the Enterprise in Face of the Enemy.
I'd like to regard both ships as pretty equal. The Enterprise crew seemed scared in TNZ because it was abrand new (and HUGE) ship. They had no idea of it's capabilites.
The warbird in Tin Man had was on a one-way course, having pumped all it's energy into "overdriving" it's engines. Perhaps it did the same thing to it's weapons?
It's possible that the reason the Romulans were worried in Face of the Enemy wasn't so much due to the fact that they were facing a Galaxy-class ship, but that they were faving the Enterprise, which, by that time, was surely at least slightly famous amoungst Romulan commanders.
Besides, in all one on one situations, the Romulan commanders did their normal "you will not escape us" bluster, but Picard was equally strong back. I think that it'd be a fight too close to call. Which is why two on one's would be easy to call.
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I agree with most of what everyone said above, but as usual I'd like to throw my 3 1/2 cents in - it seems that the Romulans obviously "throw all of their eggs in one basket" when it comes to ships - as opposed to the 30+ classes Starfleet has for various functions, the Romulans have a few versatile ship types. So far, all we've seen are the Warbird (huge), and the Scout (small), and a shuttlecraft. They must have a few other types, but probably not many, since all of their ships seem multi-purpose. For all we know, the Scout ("Pi" class according to some)could easily double as a "escort" in fleet engagements (equivalent in size and function to a Klingon B'rel, Cardassian Hideki, Jem H'adar "bug", and Starfleet Peregrine (large version) ). Also, it seems logical that, like the Klingons, there are probably at least two sizes of the same general design of Warbird (huge flagship/battleship and smaller cruiser, maybe even a third small destroyer version)- this would also account to the real-world scaling mistakes the TNG creators made...
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The 1042m size for the Warbirds was also repeated in the background information for the upcoming Dominion Wars game. While games are not canon, their creators probably have a lot more access to Paramount to check and verify information. If 1042m was the information passed to them, it's likely to that Paramount intended it to be 1042m.
It should be noted that either the Dominion Wars game or the game Star Trek Armada never depicted Warbirds or Bird of Preys with different scaled sizes. BOPs and Warbirds only come with one size and one size only. If there is a smaller or larger ship, that ship is a different class altogether.
As for the Warbird being the only Romulan ship I find that hard to believe. They do have scouts and science ships, and probably and most logically to have ships between the two size extremes. In the game Star Trek Armada, they have theorized (non canonically) a whole range of ships between the Warbird and the Romulan scout.
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The trouble with Armada is that the scaling in general is way off. Prime example: Sovereign / Cube. No way is that right. OTOH, the designers had to make some compromises, I guess. Still a great game, though.
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