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Jim Phelps
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Frank: the computer spelling + historical spelling of an Australian feature that was used as the name of a ship belonging to a class named after an Australian city would form a rather strong coalition against the lonely hull painter if the matter were taken to vote...
Boris
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So, Frank, according to your interpretation of canon, the Andromeda, Antares, Bradbury, etc, etc, and more etc classes do not exist, since they were never seen OR mentioned on screen. But we KNOW they exist, since they obviously need to belong to some class. Therefore, since we KNOW that it is named after the Jenolan Caves, and we know the spelling of Jenolan, therefore, IT IS JENOLAN!
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Most of those classes were all on Okudagrams etc. This is why the new Encyclopedia doesn't give classes for ships like the Centaur...there simply wasn't one defined anywhere in an episode. And, for that matter, the Encyclopedia says this ship is named the Jenolen.
I'm not saying that the ship is called the Jenolin, but that was the name on the hull, and so the problem can't be definitively resolved.
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I've always gone for Jenolan *makes sure he's spelt it correctly* because it was a lot clearer on the Okudagram, while I couldn't even see the name on the model. . .
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Next on the U.S.S. Enterforum: Shadows embark on a plan of chaos to define canon for the galaxy! Stay tuned.
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I have a suggestion, Frank. How about, if two conflicting pieces of information are given, we accept the one that was obviously intended to be true? Make sense?
Here's an idea. How about a forum devoted solely to resolving debates over what's canon and what isn't?
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This is actually a very simple issue. The show is canon. Only the show is canon. Writers of future shows are only obligated to be consistent with past shows. If a show conflicts with another show, or itself, then an entry gets added to SWDAO (if it has to do with ships, at least). There may be a very obvious explanation for such a conflict, but that doesn't mean the conflict still isn't there.
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Personally, I'm willing to overlook the odd visual cock-up and define canon as that wihich appears on screen and makes reasonable sense to me.
Why, if you don't you have to deal with all the reverse-angle shots where NCC-1701-D is written out backwards as the ship flies from right to left!
Some things you just chalk up to human error. Of course I expect to get sliced by Frank's pink cutting ray for this attempt to impose order on chaos...
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Well, we really can't decide what's canon and what isn't. It has to be clearly defined. You can form your own opinions on a particular conflict, but that doesn't mean everyone will agree.
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Jim Phelps
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Frank: it seems nearly impossible to take out the intention of the producers/personal judgement from the analysis. I might just as well say (with reason) that the bridge walls are made of wood, and that there is nothing in those consoles other than wood, transparancies, and neon lights.
I'm thinking that if the footage were given to expert analysts, who have the adequate instrumentation to analyze the physical aspects of the interaction between the people and the set, they may notice a couple of aberrations.
Other than that, I'll add to the discussion Jake Sisko's spelling difficulties. The reason these errors (I think that we can agree that at least one of the spellings is in error) can crop up may be due to Starfleet's ignorance of proper spelling. Now, which one is correct is nearly obvious, unless the Federation has reverted back to Shakespearian times in which spelling was a matter of preference rather than a hard-and-fast rule.
Boris
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---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
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