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Bernd
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Timo: Nice suggestions about the desktop model. I think this particular Nebula could be ferrying those nacelles indeed.

Another possibility is that the Nebula is used as a testbed for the small nacelles. Maybe this is actually the first Nebula ever built (the USS Nebula NX-60xxx), and unlike the other ships that made it into regular service, it is still in experimental status. It is also possible that the secondary hull was shortened for the subsequent ships, and only the USS Nebula retained the long hull. I know that locomotive prototypes are often used as test vehicles, since the differences to the series models are too many to employ them for daily service (difficulties with maintenance and spare parts).

I should have a better image of the Future Imperfect Nebula somewhere, so I could measure the nacelles. If this model was made from two AMT kits (the big and the small Enterprise-D kit), the scale would be obvious, this case the small nacelles would be 56% the length of the large ones. I will try to draw a 2D sketch.

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Not to try to hurry you up or anything, but...
http://www.edmiarecki.com/Formatting/p11.html

Unfortunately, the pic also could be used to argue that the ship in question is the Melbourne, not the Nebula - the registry is *almost* visible . Anyway, the top nacelles do seem like 56% versions of the bottom ones, which comes very close to an unstretched variant of the New Orleans nacelles. So those engines would make a Freedom very similar in size to its forebears Hermes and Saladin. Niagara in turn would shrink to Constitution dimensions, provided that the Fact Files image is to be trusted at all.

Dang, I'm getting virtually no work done today

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Dax
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The blurry name does look like USS Melbourne. Wasn't this design meant to be the Nebula-class study model? Oh, as most of you already know, the USS Melbourne was a Nebula before "Emissary" changed history.

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Can ANYONE grab that pic from "Booby Trap"? Or is Frankie-babe our only screen-grabbist around here I must say Frank's grabs are always so crisp and delightful... I'm thinking of getting a vid-cap-card... what is a good one!?! Frank...?

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Nim
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What evidence is there that the Melbourne isn't the late Admiral Hansen's Excelsior? Enlighten me.

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Dax
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1. The ship's rego.
2. That desktop model of the Nebula Melbourne.
3. The destroyed ship in "BoBW II".
4. It's a confirmed fact by Mike Okuda.

They supposedly changed the ship to an Excelsior in "Emissary" simply because they thought it would look better. Just another one of those things...

Anyway Nimrod, I can throw your question right back at you. What is there to prove that the Melbourne was the Admiral's ship?

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Perhaps the Melbourne at Wolf 359 was an Excelsior (as if anyone could tell what that ship in TBoBW was w/o being told, anyway...) and the one seen in the guise of that desktop model was launched later.

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But they have the same rego.
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I have an ixTV from ixMicro. The ATI cards are good also.

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Well, Ms. Bouncer, it would be ignorant of the producers of TBoBW to show a ship meeting with the Enterprise, have the admiral refer to a ship to give to Riker, and then hope that the viewers understand for themselves that the one the admiral arrived in was a completely different ship. It would raise questions that would interfer with the pace of the episode.
It's all about making it easy for the viewers to catch on.
And the Excelsior shown in "Emissary" shows that the producers went to great lenghts to eliminate any doubts and explain to us that this ship is the same as the earlier Excelsior. They could've let the Borg destroy it before you could see the registry, but they didn't. You should be thankful that they even bothered to show that they cared about the whole issue.

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The registry in "Emissary" wasn't very legible, at least, not that I've been able to see...

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Though I've yet to make an actual link to the page, I have uploaded the "Constitution-Class Refit Model" page for those screaming for vidcaps:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/6630/picfsentabt.html

I can imagine that this might might be of some interest...

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Well....it's just a Constitution...

With sideways stuck on sideways...

And large black notches on the saucer...

As for a class? Korolev? Springfield? Doubtful if it's Constitution, right?

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Masao
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Vidcaps! Vidcaps! Vidcaps!

What the caps don't show clearly are the ends of nacelles. I thought that the nacelles ends were blunt, like Constellation nacelles. Also, the "blotches" are where the windows pieces were left off from this crappy model kit.

However, new engines would not justify a new class designation in the absence of other changes to the hulls. Aircraft get new engines all the time without changing names or numbers: at most a letter is added.

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Considering that what we were seeing was probably the private office of Leah Brahms... What would be the odds that the low-quality model of the Constitution refit was in fact made by one of Leah's kids, aged 3�
or something? The same would go for the one in "Neutral Zone", with the nacelles glued in backwards. And possibly some other desktop models we see are also hobby projects by the respective kids of the characters - Jake Sisko could have been doing the ships in Sisko's office.

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