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I think I heard somewhere before that it is actually a mistake and 10 Forward should be 11 Forward (like on the E). To finish up your original questions, Hobbes, the area directly in front of the OL holds the computers used by the aft stations on the bridge. There is little detail, but I don't think it's actually a room. There may be a couple of small access areas.
Also of note, the starboard side of the OL has a ramp that leads directly to the bridge, the Port side does not. Both sides also have curving ramps that apparently lead down to the lower part of deck one (your head would be about level with Data's ankles and you would be walking along side the bridge I think) where you can grab a turbo lift. There is also something noted that could either be stairs to deck two or part of the latching mechanism, I can't tell.
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Actually, the E-D has an extra deck between deck 6 and deck 7.
Whence do I derive such an outlandish theory, you ask? Well, I'll tell you. Observe this graphic:
Now, we know the main shuttlebay is on deck 4 (the purple line in the picture). Counting up from here, the bridge is deck 1, which is good. We also know the battle bridge to be located on deck 8 (green line). Counting down from here, Ten Forward (deck ten, blue line) is on the lower rim of the saucer. This is also good. However, if we count the decks between 4 and 8, we find four. These would be deck 5, deck 6, deck 7, and... what? Obviously, the extra deck is one of these four between 4 and 8.
Now, to see why I've placed it between 6 and 7, feast your eyes upon this:
Now, for those of you who have the E-D blueprints, you can also refer to them for this part. If you haven't got them, I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for some of this.
The escape pods that I've colored green (a selection as an example; this also applies to the others on that deck) are on deck 6. This is verified by the blueprints. The curved green line represents the outer edge of deck 6. Now, normally, one would expect the next deck down to be deck 7. However, the escape pods which I have colored red, according to the blueprints, are not on deck 7. In fact, they do not show up at all on any deck. One might attribute this to another blueprints error. However, there is more. If we assume that the blueprints are correct and deck 7 is not immeditely below deck 6, we can guess that it is, in fact, two decks below deck 6. This is where it would be placed if we counted up from deck 8 (see the first picture). In the top half of the saucer, the decks get progressively larger as one descends, yes? Therefore, deck 6 is one size, the deck below it is larger, and the next deck down is even larger than that. Now, if we go back to the blueprints and measure decks 6 and 7 (making sure they're in scale by measuring the computer cores and such), we find that deck 7 is not a bit larger than deck 6: it's much larger. Larger enough, in fact, that it corresponds to the blue curve I've drawn in the second picture.
Therefore, by locating the shutttlebay and battle bridge, we have evidence that the extra deck is between 4 and 8. Further, through the escape pods and the deck sizes, we have two pieces of evidence which suggest that the missing deck is between 6 and 7. While they may not have intended an extra deck there, there is plenty of evidence which all agrees that it is there, and apparently nothing to refute it. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Okay so you think that those rooms on Deck 2 infront of the OL are all computer rooms?? That doesn't make much sense. I'll scan the pic later.
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Perhaps I missed something, but the OL isn't on deck 2. It's on deck 1.
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I think Hobbes is counting the back of deck 1 as deck 2, and deck 2 as 3. Anyway, those rooms adjacent to the conference lounge (upper deck 1) aren't labeled at all in the Blueprints and they don't seem to have much in them. The room fore of the CL is labeled "computer interface" but I don't see any obvious way to get in.
TSN: I noticed a couple of problems with your commentary-
1)You say that ten forward is in the right place when counting down from the battle bridge, but it's not. The cutaway you used is the same as the one from the TNGTM p.11 and that shows that 10 forward would actually be on deck 11 if it's the bottom half of the rim.
2)The "lifeboats" that you marked in red, and can't find, aren't and never were lifeboats in the first place. Refer to Screen 1 of the Blueprints and you'll see my point.
It seems to me that either deck 8 or 9 has the two rows of windows. If I had to call it, I would say deck 8 is the culprit. I've mentioned this problem to Rick Sternbach (at his newsgroup forum) but he pretended that everything was as it should ie. he was completely unhelpful .
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I counted it as Deck 2 because it is below the bridge.
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More people have to go an prod him then... with Klingon pain sticks!?! Timo - I'm sure would be an influencing poster...
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I went and counted the decks up from the deck 25 torp laucher (on both the exterior and TNGTM cutaway) and that too places the bottom of the saucer rim as deck 11. It looks like Aban is right and someone erred in placing ten-forward where it is.
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Dax: Actually, I don't have the blueprints themselves. I have some scans that I found on the 'net. Unfortunately, though, only the decks themselves are in the images. Everything around them (labelling and such) is removed. So, if you could be a bit more specific...
Also, I'm not sure what you're saying about the cutaway. I scanned that from the MSD in the encyclopedia. The battle bridge is on the deck that I drew the blue line on. Therefore, that is deck 8. The bottom rim of the saucer is two decks below that, hence, deck 10. This, of course, agrees w/ the blueprints (look at the escape pods on deck 10, and look at the underside of the saucer rim).
As for counting upward from deck 25... I don't remember whether I did that or not. I originally came up w/ this a while ago. I'll try it when I get a chance and see what happens...
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Perhaps one of the designers liked deck 9 so much he included an extra one?
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TSN: Those blocks which you've marked in red (on the hull of deck 7) simply aren't lifeboat hatches. Here's that bit of the Blueprints I was on about: Surface Plan Close-Up They appear to be just pointless plating on the hull. The AMT model also supports this.
I was wrong what I said about the MSD. I assumed it was the same as the TNGTM cutaway. I now realise that there's three differing cutaways that disagree with eachother-
1)MSD - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 9 and the lower rim to be deck 11.
2)TNGTM p.11 "Section at Centreline" - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 8 and the lower rim to be deck 11.
3)Blueprints screen 4 "Starboard Cutaway View" - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 8 and the lower rim to be deck 10.
Out of these only the MSD could be considered canon since it's been seen on the show.
Unfortunately we have a paradox on our hands.
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Well, even if those aren't escape pods, there's still the matter of the actual sizes of the decks. So, either there is an extra deck between 6 and 7, or deck 7 is actually twice as high as it would normally be (w/ ceiling windows).
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That would have to be "Brothers". Is it when Data seals off the bridge, and the others are trying to get back in? I thought they were just in a J-tube outside/under the bridge, but I haven't seen the ep in a while.
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