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"I always liked the idea that the Ent-B was only the second Excelsior-class one. After the Excelsior, they did a "variation", and waited to see which was the most successful, efficient, whatever. Then they deceided to build the rest of them."
There are parallels in wet-navies. After a class of ship has been in production/service for a period of time, an engineering team will make modifications (as recommended by the vessel's shakedown crew, manufacturer, etc.) to one of them during a scheduled refit/drydock. If the modifications are seen to be advantageous during subsequent trials, others in this class will be so modified - but the class will maintain its original class name. However, if the modifications are drastic enough, the first modified vessel will be named as the lead vessel of a new class, and any vessels so-modified thereafter will be transferred to that new class name. _____________________________________________________
"...Does anyone think Starfleet still produces new Excelsior-Class vessels anymore?"
Unlikely. The CAPABILITIES of that class have been paralleled or exceeded by several new classes - Intrepid for one. In wet-navies, once another class can do the same job (capability), the original class is phased out/retired as they age.
This is why classes of vessels are grouped according to type (eg: the original Enterprise was a member of the Constitution-class, of the Heavy Cruiser type. After you have enough classes within a type, you only spend your construction time on the more capable ones. Of course, given the losses Starfleet saw in the Dominion War, I think a lot of the surviving Excelsior-class vessels have been pretty-thoroughly refitted. In wartime, it is a lot cheaper and faster to refit an older vessel to current weapons standards than to construct an entirely new vessel.
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IIRC, Geordi made a comment to Sergei Rozhenko in "Family" that some part (I don't remember) of the Galaxy class was refined from the "old" Excelsior class. One could take this to mean that the part was NEVER refined in the actual Excelsior class, but only in newer classes. If this part was not refined, then they most likely are not building Excelsior class ships anymore because logically, the part WOULD be refined if they were.
Besides the actual Excelsior and the Ent-B, have we seen any other Excelsior bridges?
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AFAIR a small part of the Lakota and the Hood bridge. Captain Taggert of the Repulse was on the E-D viewscreen. Maybe there was a little bit of the bridge in the background.
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In Tin Man, what we saw from the Hood was the ready room, not the bridge (and I know this, because the script specifies INT READY ROOM for Desoto's scene).
We've seen two Excelsior bridges in the flicks alone ... the original bridge from ST-III and the MUCH better bridge in VI.
If Hanson WAS aboard an Excelsior-Class starship during BoBW, then that's another to tack up there.
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On a slightly different topic, I'm working on line schematics for all of the study models at Wolf 359. A while back, someone posted some low resolution orthographic views of a few of the ships, including the Mars perimeter defense vessel and the McQuarrie models. Does anyone have any better quality pics?
There was a question by the Wolf 359 group as to whether those drawings were derived from my sketches. They were not, and they may represent a more accurate view than my own.
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I figure, after being around for the instigation of this thread, I might as well start contributing.
Do you know the sketches I'm referring to? I could post them with upload system here if you want.
Ben
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Yes, I know of the sketches. I believe I saved them when Bernd sent us the email with the photos of the Chekov and the Buran. You can upload them here if you want, or I can do it. Let me know.
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I think this may warrant a new thread. I'll start one with the links.
Ben
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Heh...I just stumbled on the pix as I checked the site, Bernd.
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You're probably right about the Springfield pod--at least, I hope you are. That would be a "podalicious" design. But...knowing how they are, I doubt it's podded at all.
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