There were also spreads of full colour images (starboard views) and brief notes. The first two spreads did all the ships down to Miranda in size and listed a length. The dodgy lengths from the DS9 TM were used so the Miranda is too big and the Sabre is way too big.
The last two spreads didn't list lengths. The Constellation is also too small. I have no idea where they got that size for the Steamrunner from.
The Tug, see http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/images/ff_tug.gif seems to be a new ship. Where's it from? The big arms seem to rule out the tug from 'A Time to Stand'. I've only seen up to the end of season 6 DS9 and most of season 5 Voyager, so does this come from a later show (maybe the UP scenes in that time travelling Voyager episode)?
Also, how well do the sizes of the Niagara and Freedom match with the current analysis that some of you folks are doing? Ditto the relative sizes of the Attack Fighter, Danube and Scoutship?
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That Sabre-Class CANNOT be right. From all we've seen from FC and SoA, it's about a fourth longer than the Defiant. Otherwise it's a great chart.
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Of course the Sabre isn't right. It uses the dimensions from the DS9 TM, which as we all know is full or errors. In this case the TM proofreaders failed to notice that the Sabre stats were a cut and paste from the Norway.
As I pointed out the Miranda/Soyuz is also too large and the Constellation too small.
In fact, the Constitution refit is also too small, as the Fact File authors made both Cosntitutions 289m long rather than making the refit 305m as it should be.
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The only thing I can think of for the Tug Class is that little Klingon-looking thing seen towing the Fredrickson at the beginning of the ep where we first saw the Shelley Class. It was the season 6 premiere I think.
Of course if I had been paying attention, I'd have realized that that was the ship you were talking about from ATTS. I still think that's what it's supposed to be though.
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Yeah, I took another look at it. The nacelles and nacelle supports match fairly well. And it's possible that the on screen ship had those arms folded up in a more compact position. If only the Fact Files would give a top or forward view we'd be able to tell. Or have they already done that and I've missed it?
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I was sure there were some images of the tug at Pedro's, but I can't seem to find them.
At any rate, there weren't any new ships featured in "Relativity", at least that anyone has been able to spot. I'm presuming that the Fact Files say that this is indeed a Federation vessel? Hmm. The Time to Stand tug seems to be the only ship that fits. It would appear that the idea of that tug being Klingon is not universally shared.
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Well, in comparison to the Miranda, the Freedom and Niagara are approximately right. However, the Nia should be slightly longer than the Fre (not the other way around, as shown).
But, then, that's assuming that both diagrams are accurate, and that they have normal GCS nacelles. Both of which cases, at least for the Nia, we now know to be untrue. So basically, we don't know the lengths anymore.
Did anyone else notice that their diagram of the Soyuz is missing the bottom section of the added-on stuff?
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Hmm...oddly enough, they have the Excelsior II there, and the Akira, Saber, Steamrunner, Defiant, and Sydney all look like they have incorrect sizes. You'd think the person doing the diagram would have noticed the Saber/Norway thing...
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I already have the tug pic a couple of days, but I didn't want to scare anyone. Okay, so I'll have to accept it eventually.
The ship chart is simply ridiculous. It shows how the same old errors (Sabre, Sydney) are reproduced again and again, and new ones (Niagara, Constellation) added.
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The TUG Did this really came from FF. Which way is front? Is there gonna be a proper name for this class How many people accept this image? If Bernd will accept this I will
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I will never accept the tug as Federation or Starfleet unless TPTB say it is. It looks WAY TOO Klingon to me. Some people just have to say it's Fed or Starfleet because it appeared with a Starfleet fleet. They're wrong. That fleet also had Klingon BOPs.
And almost all drawings of the Soyuz out there are incorrect. The Soyuz has a rounded bridge (early ST II TV series refit Enterprise), 4 sensor pods (1 dorsal, 1 ventral, 1 port, 1 starboard), an extra deck or two that's been added to the lower saucer right above the lower sensor dome, and spikes that stick out forward from that/those deck(s).
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Using the Wolf 359 comparison chart from Bernd's site I get lengths for the Freedom and Niagara in the 450m region whereas this chart puts them in the 260m region. Is this in line with current thinking?
The Tug, right is forwards. No proper class name given. As every other pic on the chart has appeared elsewhere in the FF over the years I'm guessing that the Tug will be detailed in an issue coming soon(-ish).
You'd think the person doing the diagram would have noticed the Saber/Norway thing...
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