Alpha Centauri
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Altair: Yes, I know, that was my inspiration, actually. I even made up an entire catalog of "Captain John's Used Starships", featuring a warp-capable Ares-IV, a life-sized 1:1 Phoenix, DY-vessels, etc. Maybe I'll link to it someday.
Grapeape: OK, you're right, I forgot about the Nebbie. But everyone can see that it is an entirely seperate design, despite being a Galaxy kitbash. I once toyed with Constitution parts, and I now have an incredible number of Constitution kitbashes made with my graphics program. Problem is that they all still look too Constitution-ish, no matter how you arrange them, scale them, flip them, mirror them, etc. I don't have that same feeling about the Nebbie, however I acknowledge the Galaxy-origin (despite having lower regos).
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Timo: Actually, the Saratogas the effects guys blew up weren't scale models: They were all about five feet long. My guess is somebody wanted some background debris, and instead of actually fabricationg custom-made junk, they just used one of the Saratogas.
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The Nebula's secondary hull is only superficially similar to that of the galaxy class. on closer inspection, it is very different, being taller and not tapering as much, as well as having a different shape and therefore a different shape of deflector dish.
i think the T'Pau might have been referred to as an Apollo Class in "Unification".
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...Which of course raises the question "Does anybody have the script available?" (Or, "Is Boris Skrbic reading this?")...
What we'd need to know is
1.Is the class of the T'Pau really mentioned? 2.Is any of the three Vulcan ships built by the Romulans identified as the T'Pau? 3.Is the class of the three Vulcan ships mentioned? 4.With what dialogue exactly are the Vulcan ships welcomed by the crew (does somebody say "Hey, Vulcan ships, everyone!" or "I'm reading Vulcan warp signatures at 123 mark 45"?) 5.Does the scrip offer some other insight that wasn't in the actual episode?
Shik
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There were 3 Vulcan ships mentioned by Spock in the broadcast, NONE of which were the T'Pau. I find it very unlikely that the T'Pau would be able to go ANYwhere without a deflector.
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Well, there's a picture in some book showing the original model, and it's got a huge IDIC symbol on the side. So the ships were definitely Vulcan.
I don't think the T'Pau was stated to be Apollo-class. However, there was a display showing info on the ship. Perhaps that had the class on it.
The T'Pau probably couldn't go anywhere w/ no deflector, but it doesn't need its own deflector. The Romulans probably replaced it because it was damaged, or something.
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I remember the Okudagram from the episode "Unification, Part 1". The information does not give class information either for the SS T'Pau or the USS Tripoli. SS T'Pau is identified as a ship of the Vulcan Merchant Marines and was declassified on SD 41344.2.
The saucer in the episode "Emissary" can't be of that of the USS Melbourne NCC-62043. This ship was below the Borg ship after being disabled and was intact, aside from the 50% of the primary hull which was destroyed.
A magazine of Starlog gives the battle information as follows (this reflects an earlier script)-USS Gage destroyed, USS Kyushu destroyed, USS Melbourne destroyed, USS Saratoga destroyed. The first two ships are not seen in the final product and the inference from the episode is that the battle is beginning.
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My reasons why I used the Vulcan designed ship as the Apollo Class
Last time I checked Vulcan was part of the Federation.
If i was working for the bureau of ops. I would acquire some Vulcan ships (Vulcans are generally noted for thier intelligence)
Registies given in the Encyc. are contemporary with the age of the Vulcan vessels in Unification (assuming that Registries follow time)(they would have looked good along side an ambassador class)
in BoBw Cmdr Shellby was just spitting out names that she knew was in the fight, cause in emissary most of the Melbourne impacted onto the cube. Unless she got out a magnifine glass to see bits of the saucer section or the Borg had time to push the reckage off thier ship it is unlikely she did see it. Therefore i believe that most of the wreckage was not seen
I'm f**king sick of god damn ugly kitbashes
I have more reasons why i use the vulcan ship as the apollo. but the notion of someone contimplating a kitbash for the apollo using the wrekage from a 2 second seen appauls me.
Do not make me get the side view of the Rigel class again.
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What was that Rick Sternbach design for a Vulcan ship, that was never seen?? The line schematic I think is in the Continuing Mission... anyone want to scan it?? IT looks sort of like a Sabre class hull but with vulcanesque nacelles.
Andrew
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I don't know if anyone has noticed this but within the Star Trek Companion, there's an interesting tidbit about the vulcan ships
"The Vulcan ships were originals, built by Greg Jein from an original design by Sternback, with a Reliant-like feel featuring long, pointed engine pods and a bridge over hull look. Urged to go for a more alien non-Starfelet look, Sternbach said he based the design on a central core surrounded by a wraparound circular generator"
Well they apparently wanted the Vulcan ships to be "non-starfleet", which support the idea that the Apollo class for T'pau was a typo.
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