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Someone originally posted this in rec.arts.startrek.tech but didn't get any responses. I thought it was interesting, so I decided to post it here.
He stated that on one of the pages of the Operation: Retrieve chart in ST:VI, he thought he could see diagrams of what looked to be uprated versions of the Constitution class, or perhaps another class of ship entirely which looked similar. Since I don't own the movie and didn't feel like getting up off of my lazy butt and driving to Blockbuster, can anyone confirm this, or was this guy just seeing things?
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It is also possible that these are generic starship silhouettes, standing in for the actual ship shapes. We have seen this sort of thing before, in TNG (where the Excelsior class Potemkin had a silhouette of an Ambassador class, and the weird shuttle of "Skin of Evil" had the silhouette of a Type 7, even though there was abolutely no pressing reason not to call these vessels an Ambassador and a Type 7, respectively). Perhaps the Eagle was in fact an Oberth or an unseen type?
Or then the apparent Constitution-refit silhouettes are actually Belknap silhouettes.
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I just bought the video today and i had a look at the chart and i saw three shapes looking like constitution class ships but the the last one was a shape i did not recognise. It might be another ship class.
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Well, I have the DVD so :P (and it's running on my PlayStation 2 too) The Operation: Retrieve thing is 3 pages long, and the 3rd page has no ships so it's useless to this conversation. The first page has the routes of 3 starships, all of Constitution type, heading into Klingon space. The 2nd page shows two Constitutions and a 3rd, unknown vessel convering on Rura Pentha. To the right of this is an apparent size chart, maybe with starship name and registry information. A Constitution is shown, with two smaller classes. My guess for one of these classes is the Oberth. Beneath the each of these three ships there appear to be names and registry numbers. Unfortunatly, the name for the Constitution Class ship is very long, and cannot be U.S.S. Eagle. But, the name for the ship below that does appear short and could say Eagle, but there's no way of telling, too small. These names and numbers are repeated in the spaceial diagram to the left, with the respective name next to the ship. Unless someone's got a DVD player that can zoom, that's all the help I can be.
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So based on this, the Eagle wouldn't be a Constitution at all? Instead, it would be the middle ship in the "size comparison chart"? Well, this would make things more palatable for those of us who don't want to believe in Connies with NCC-956 registries...
Did I understand correctly that the second page shows three starships (2 Constitutions, one unknown) on a "star system map" and three starships "(1 Constitution, 2 different unknowns) in a "size comparison chart"? This would be an interesting discrepancy. Perhaps it means that three types of starships would participate in the maneuver, and three formations would be created out of these types. Two formations would have Constitutions as their most prominent ships, while one would have that unknown type as the lead ship.
The total number of ships in the operation would then be at least four, with this fourth ship not displayed on the map because of being "subordinate" to a displayed Constitution.
Timo Saloniemi
[This message has been edited by Timo (edited January 03, 2001).]
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IIRC, the ships that would have participated in Operation:Retrieve were the Challenger, the Korolev, the Ahwahnee, the Eagle, and the Springfield.
I have the movie magazine of ST:VI at my folks' house, with a photo of the chart showing page 2 (the ships converging on the planet). I'll scan it as soon as I can, unless someone beats me to it.
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Are these "movie magazines" a regular occurrence in your universe? Why don't these goodies ever appear on the shelves of European bookstores?
Hmm. If this is the selection of ships in "Operation Retrieve", then the Challenger and the Ahwahnee probably aren't Excelsiors after all, despite the registries. Otherwise, such prominent ships would probably have appeared in silhouette form, instead of the mere Constitutions. And the Korolev probably is the supposed Oberth silhouette...
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Hmm, my notes say that the Operation Retrieve ships were the Ahwahnee, Challenger, Eagle, Endeavour, Potemkin, Scovil, and Springfield. I have the Korolev down as appearing on the Enterprise bridge okudagram.
Why would Starfleet send an Oberth on a dangerous mission to the heart of the Klingon Empire?
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There was one Oberth at Wolf 359 and it seems that there were at least 2 Oberths in the Battle against the Borg in 2373 (First Contact). Compared to that, Klingons are a child's play for Oberths.
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There's a world of difference between a feeble attempt to defend your capital from an invencible invader and a planned incursion into the heart of a hostile empire.
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My posting was meant to support the they're twits' side of things. Sending Oberths in a battle against the Borg is as stupid as using them for Operation Retrieve.
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