Ok.. that's the sideview. But I need some more information about what that aft section is supposed to be. The shipschematics.net image only has a side and fore view, but I'd really like to have a top view. Can anyone help me?
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The problem with getting a good top view is that in the original booklet of plans, there wasn't a complete one. The scale is roughly 1/400, and in order to fit on the sheets (which were 10 1/2 by 25"), they could only show half views of the top and bottom. The rest of the packet included port, bow, and stern elevations and a cutaway side view. The final sheet gives a brief history of the class, with the amusing note that the Niantic (NCC-1105) was the last ship to rendezvous with the Constellation before she encountered the Doomsday Machine. Since Niantic disappeared in the same area shortly after encountering the cruiser, Starfleet assumed the Planet Killer got her too.
And, before you all ask, I still don't have a scanner; I'd have to photocopy and snail mail 'em to you (actually, first I'd have to erase all the pencil notes on the sheets from when I made a 1/800 scale copy of the ship some years back.)
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Not me. In fact, I insist that you stop looking and apply artistic license instead.
That way, the ventral extension need not be square in section, even though that's probably what the designer intended. Based on side and front views alone, it could be a winglike shape, not that much different from a Constitution connecting neck. Or a wedge or "keel" of some sort.
Also, fanfic has a ship of this class serve as the basis for the prototype of the Surya class, that is, for a TOS Miranda of sorts. You know how the Surya looks, right? It has those silly pylons starting from near the ship's axis and going out to the nacelles with a slight kink down. I think it would be best to give the Detroyat the same pylons, just without the kink.
And the aft hull should by the same logic be shaped to resemble the Surya config: the sloping surface we see peeking from behind the nacelle could end in impulse engines, "outriggered" to the same position they hold in the Suryas. The "refit" would then just add shuttlebay boxes on both sides of this impulse extension, and remove the ventral keel.
If you must give this ship a shuttlebay (although I wouldn't...), just put it in the keel thing. Gives the keel a reason to exist. Perhaps a big roll-up door opening to a bay that takes up the volume not covered by windows, just below the nacelle and aft of the docking port.
The thing below the saucer, terminating at the bottom vertex, is a long torpedo tube, of course.
Hmm. What about using the current "bridge" as a mere pedestal for the actual bridge module? You could put a "The Cage" style high bridge module there... (IIRC, the original Detroyat side view had a lower-profile structure up there than your rendition.)
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That structure under the saucer is the housing for the main docking port; according to the cutaway and the ship's stats, the Detroyat hasn't got any torpedoes at all. Kind of funny for a heavy destroyer designation. Oh, well....
The cutaway indicates that the ship has no shuttlebay, either. And the bridge housing is a deck-and-a-half structure. It contains the bridge plus the top half of deck 2 (which houses the ship's library functions).
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The cutaway was no doubt released to confuse Klingon spies. Main docking port under the saucer? That's a negative, Houston. Never heard anything so... nonfunctional!
I'm convinced that the big frontal orifice Starfleet calls "docking port" is the muzzle of a torpedo launcher so big that it puts even the out-of-scale DS9 kitbash tubes to shame.
Umm, until I see the cutaway, that is. Where could I find it?
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Don't know where you'd find it online; I've had my copy of the plans for nearly twenty years.
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perhaps the Detroyat is the historical design precedent the 1701-E refitters were paying homage to when they put all sorts of torpedo launches in that vessel's docking ports!
since ive moved into my new room and hung up the FSRC, most of my visitors have commented that the Ariadne looks like a bong. .. other than that nothing is known.. no other plans exist that i have been able to reference, and its unclear as to whether it is simply cylindrical or if it might be a ring ship.. perhaps we should ask Aridas Sofia.. he posted at TrekBBS a while back , i recall, and if he didnt derive the ship from anyone elses fanart, then he is the ships creator.
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I don't know how reliable the source for this guy's model design is, but it certainly looks good -- maybe it'll help you out, Harry.
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Harry, you could reverse engineer from the Menahga. I think that the M was a semi-updated D refit advemnet design. The similarities are too much to be denied.
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quote: I don't know how reliable the source for this guy's model design is, but it certainly looks good -- maybe it'll help you out, Harry.
Not too bad, considering the relative lack of information. However, there are some problems. The use of a 1701-type hull is inaccurate for several reasons:
1) Too small; the stats for the ship give a saucer beam of 151.25m. 2) Wrong shape; the upper and lower faces of the saucer are flat (like a short, shallow cone with an extremely wide base), not the complex curves of the cruiser design. 3) The B-C deck structure below the bridge; Detroyat has no such structure.
The engines are also incorrect. However, the general layout of the secondary hull structure is very close to the plans; it really does have that slab-sided shape.
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The impulse engine area is pretty similar to the Surya one. I suggest keeping it that way... I wonder if the pylons shouldn't be farther back, however. I mean, purely aesthetically speaking. And keeping in mind that this ship is going to become a Surya later on. The original blueprints may suggest this placement for all I know.
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Can you give more dimensions, WK? I've now scaled it using window-size, but that is of course only a vague estimate.
Timo: I've alread made Surya schematics, so I know what she looks like It's not the upgraded ship, but the 'original' one, although I replaced that rather ugly deflector dish with the sleeker one from Guenther's Saladin/Hermes schematics.
I'm now making a secondary hull similar to that model, with an impulse engine and a sloped boxy shape.
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