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Interesting - haven't we seen twice the Asgard having their consciousness stored in computer systems? Infact the very ability to download consciousnesses into new body every so many years suggests some sort of storage buffer is probably involved.
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It was a good concept for the finale, but the setup to get there made no sense at all. The Asgard are dying, and decide to kill themselves. As others have pointed out, they can download their consciousnesses to machines! Given that, there is no reason for them to EVER die. Further, in order to give Earth their technology, they summon an Earth ship to their homeworld (Which is in the Milky Way now? What the hell?), load it up, and say, off you go, good luck not being intercepted! Why not send their own fleet to Earth with it, as an escort? Or for that matter, why not use the FRIKIN' STARGATE!
Aside from that, it was a very good episode.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: He was very entertainingly angry a few weeks ago when he blew up at the hostages SG-1 took in "Bad Guys".
Mark
God, I *loved* that scene. I laughed till I teared up.
And about the Asgard homeworld - It *isn't* in the Milky Way; you distinctly hear mention that the ship has "passed back into the Milky Way" during their journey. Also, they explicitly said that the Asgard power core wouldn't fit through the gate, so they had to travel by ship. But you're right about the escort - you'd think in fact they could have *given* the Tau'ri what's left of their fleet outright.
I'm interested to see if the Asgard knowledgebase will come up in Atlantis, being cross-referenced with the Ancient database and so forth to create new nifty little blinkenlights. And I think it's about time to reveal the Stargate to the world, too - while I loved Stargate for, among many other things, being present-day and in secret so you could imagine it happening for real, I also used to love it for how little technology the Tau'ri had, and they managed to get them up to galactic standards without ruining the show, so I think the writers could pull off the revealing of the Stargate as well. (The President beaming out of the function onto Air Force One in The Road not Taken was just really cool... ;P)
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I enjoyed Shanks' acting in that scene, but the dialogue was a bit overboard, even for a wink-wink-nudge-nudge fan-pleasing scene in a series finale. He was just way too cruel there, even if it was spot-on. It seemed very nearly out of character.
My only other complaint is why the Asgard didn't ask for O'Neill to be there for the "passing of the torch" or whatever you want to call it. He was the one who got the Asgard's attention and respect in the first place, after all. But I guess Richard Dean Anderson didn't feel like doing another episode... Oh well.
Anyway, this was still a very fine episode, and a wonderful send-off. I greatly enjoyed it!
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Okay, I'll grant that I may have missed the comment about returning to the Milky Way. But then why did the Ori show up there? It seemed they couldn't track the Odyssey until after they had the Asgard core aboard, and they shouldn't have had any reason to go find them. Unless maybe the Asgard said "Hey, morons, over here!" in order to catch them in the explosion...
And as for the core fitting through the gate, that's lame. It's the frikin' ASGARD. They can find some way to put their knowledge in a package slightly smaller than the, what, 5 meter gate? Giving the fleet would have made much more sense as a plot.
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They SO didn't have to have the Asgard die off COMPLETELY... that sorta puts a dent into this otherwise fine episode. The set up was so unnecessary. Actually quite annoys me now that I think about it more. It was a rather "Tasha Yar" death for the Asgard.
ALSO - if the Ori can follow them to the Asgard galaxy - then why did they need to build supergates?
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So, like, that was actually the season finale? Really? The end of the whole show? Because, I mean. . . I'm totally with Mr. BX here. This was a fine episode, but, uh, wasn't there some sort of plot going on this season? They didn't even promote the movie(s) during it, so I'd imagine casual fans feel like the show just disappeared midsentence. (Assuming the show has casual fans.)
But taken just on its own, I liked it a lot.
(Though, in that scene where Vala is crying and Daniel is comforting her, based on his earlier performance, I assume he was saying something like "You know how I can get when you make me angry, and you know I don't mean it. Now let's go get some ice for that eye, OK?")
((Also, is the spinoff "Stargate: Starship Unstoppable", I wonder?))
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I get the feeling that it was meant to send the same message as the last episode of Farscape...ironically. The message being "We didn't want to go now, we didn't plan on going now and we're not changing our plans. We'll be back"
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I think the scene with Daniel was very good, considering the loss he suffered and then the 'games' Vala had played with him before. Reaching a breaking point like that was well done,with her past I can see why he was so leary.
As for the Asgard, with the narrow minded thinking that they developed, a mass suicide makes a bit of sense, especially if they don't want their tech to fall in to undeserving hands. I would have preferred to see them, at least some of them, go out battling the Ori. Transfering too much in to machines, after the near loss to the replicators, wouldn't have fit very well.
On the point of being there without Jack, and Landry dressed in Blues, it fit well with dialog. A political battle ws fought over giving the tech and info to the Fifth Race, with the pro Asgard winning by a narrow margin. A last minute 'Get here and get this stuff before we do what we do.' works. This is also why a too large unit and not giving the fleet to SG-1 worked.
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Still think the Asgard could have just given the ships to Earth or yes, at least go out fighting. What about all the Asgard-protected planets... what happens to them? Is that now Earth's job? They wiped out all those Mother Ships of Heru'ur quick smart. Where is that tech?
Does this also mean we wont see any more Hermiod on the Daedelus?
Andrew
P.S. - Did I miss something in the episode - Wikipedia says this: "It was shown in Unending that Asgard beam weaponry is capable of destroying Ori Motherships." When did they destroy Ori ships in Unending??
Andrew
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The first was just after the planet blew, when they couldn't engage the hyper drive with the blast radiation, what, 47 seconds to clear it, which they wouldn't have made, so Landry ordered them about to fight.
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The second was after one of the drops out of hyperspace that the Ori ships were waiting for. (Now where were those beam weapons on the Asgard ships that fought at the Battle of P3Y-Whatever?)
Also, I don't think the Ori followed them to the Asgard galaxy. They didn't show up until we were back in the Milky Way. But, we must assume the Ori ships do have intergalactic hyperdrives like the Asgard and Tau'ri ships. I've always just figured the Ori home galaxy is so very far away that even hyperdrive would just take too long.
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Well, the Ori ships did show up at the Asgard homeworld, long before they said they got back to the Milky Way.
And all this adds to what I've been wondering for the longest time: The Ori have the ability to access the Milky Way's stargate network from their own galaxy. Their motherships have now been shown to possess intergalactic capability. Why haven't they shown up in Pegasus yet?
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