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I prefer Good Omens version. Death- tall guy, doesn't say much, and is the leader. War- hot babe who causes fighting/wars wherever she goes (she's also a redhead, goes with her firey personality). Famine- a guy who runs a multi-million "super model" type of food corporation where no matter how much of the food you eat, you still get skinnier. Pollution (Pestilince got tired of it and quit )- Causes pollution and unhealthy conditions wherever he goes.
Of course there were also the 4 other horsemen who I forget but they were wannabes who followed the real ones on their motorcycles (Yes, the 3 horsemen and one horsewoman rode motorcycles to the apocalypse).
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And you have all the various Four Horsemen from other franchises, such as the X-men comics. I never liked them, because they always ended up being such incredible pansies that could be defeated while the heroes hardly had to work up a sweat. Also, the artwork was typically wretched for those issues.
Damn, now that I'm thinking on it, I believe virtually every Marvel comic has at one time had a Four Horsemen cell...and they were ALWAYS pussies that got whipped in one issue. I swear, for a company that can make a guy with a name like Dr.Doom actually seem imposing, they do horrid jobs with anything even remotely biblically inspired. Re: a character named the Crusader, who derived his strength from his faith in God. Might be cool, except he was a fucking nutsack, like most comic book villians. Ah, but I digress.
speaking of the highlander eps, these guys sure as hell didn't live up to their name, did they? If one guy with a mail order katana and a buck and a nickel weakling can take them out, they received some major over-hype from the ancient scribes.
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Well, the "buck and nickel weakling" (I assume you mean Methos?) was in fact ONE of the Four Horseman, and he turned against them ...
And, c'mon, we're talking about Dooncan MacLeod ... the sword choreography on Highlander: The Series was top par, and the final fight between Mac and Kronos was excellent, and honestly, it looked like it could've gone either way, but to run it down real quick:
Horsemen SILAS and CASPIAN ambush MacLeod on a bridge. Silas waits while Caspian fights Mac. Mac feints and takes Caspian's head, then leaps off the bridge into the water below before Silas can take his.
Later, MacLeod learns where the remaing Horsemen -- Kronos, Methos & Silas -- are held up and goes to find them. "Three Horsemen, doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?" He tells Kronos. Kronos and MacLeod fight, and Methos goes to challenge Silas, who is guarding Cassandra (another Immortal) who was once one of the Horsemen's slaves and was captured by them while she and Mac were hunting them.
Anyway, Mac gets Kronos, and Methos gets Silas.
There was a flashback with Kronos and Mac meeting for the first time in the mid-1800's. Kronos nearly killed Mac then, but some Texas Rangers intervened and shot Kronos dead (well, as dead as an Immortal can be).
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Replying to "84" up there, I think the previous staff of four horsemen was pretty good. Wolverine and his big-ass scimitar was unbeatable when he was evil. And "Holocaust" has always been one of the top warriors of all time in Marvel. If you've seen any of his bouts with Cable or X-Man you know what I mean.
Keep in mind that these aren't the REAL four horsemen that supposedly kill millions of people every day, but merely four corrupted persons under the leadership of En-Shabbah Nur, which he only seem to summon for "special" missions, every now and then when he thinks of a cunning plan.
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Well Holocaust is War, and Apocalypse's son.
Archangel was a horseman for a time. When villains called the Marauders broke his wings off in the massacre in the morlock-tunnels, he was rescued from suicide by Apocalypse, who made his wings grow back, organic steel-wings made from the same material as himself. About two years ago he got his real wings back, becoming Angel again.
The position of the four horsemen is often changing, with different people being Death, Pestilence and Famine. I think I can find out who has been what during the years.
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I didn't know that Holocaust was Apocalypse's son - didn't he act as a foster-parent/tyrant to Stryfe as well?
And with regards to Holocaust himself, was he a Horseman in The Age Of Apocalypse, or since himself and X-Man arrived on Earth (via the M'Krann Crystal)?
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Okay, Holocaust was cool. But he didn't appear until the Age of Apocalypse storyline, and I admit to not reading too many x-men comics after that.
Horrible tangent alert.
Claremont was gone and the whole thing had turned into a big mess that wasn't interesting to me anymore. When Rogues accent kept going from super stereotypical southern belle to relatively normal, I was annoyed. But then Gambit's accent did the same thing, and then Cannonball started sounding like the biggest hillbilly on earth (this, after being the competant leader of X-force who DIDN'T sound like Jethro Bodine asking for viddles...fuck.)...and then the emergance of countless new characters to an already over filling cast. It was, as I said, a mess to me. That Onslaught crap was the absolute last straw...but I digress.
I never liked Apocalypse, so i'm biased. His super skewed view of evolution (taking "only the strong will survive" motto to the extreme) was interesting, but he never seemed like a threat to me. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, he was a bad ass but...Okay, I admit it. It's those LIPS of his. And the big "A" on his belt buckle. And the fact that Dazzler once kicked his butt. Dazzler! Marvel let her trash Galactus too! Can you imagine? a disco star with pretty lights defeats the Ravager of Worlds? Are they mad?
Sorry. Too much coffee. Getting pissed about bad comics is never a good sign. Maybe I'll go into de-tox for comics and caffiene.
Yeah, I think Methos is cool. Being sarcastical when I called him a "buck and a nickel weakling." Still, the hype for the Highlander Horsemen was a bit much. It always is, I know. They have to make you want to watch, don't they?
Jesus, what was this thread about, again?
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The eleven planes of existence, as stated by Phoebe Halliwell in episode "Apocalypse Not", of "Charmed".
Most of the alternatives have been summarized, so the interesting evolution into "Highlander", the bible and Marvel Comics is, well...interesting.
I'm not sure if Holocaust was a horseman in the other timeline, Apocalypse started the Horse-thing in our timeline when he had Warren Worthington and Exodus as Death and Famine.
Stryfe is a clone of Cable, made to replace him if he had died in the other timeline. The clone was stolen by Apocalypse, who proclaimed himself foster-father and nurtured the childs arrogance and anger, raising him into a nice little monster.
Archangel, Caliban and Wolverine (in that order) have been Death. I have seen Famine and Pestilence, I think Random was one of them.
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"Good Omens" was one of the coolest books ever written. And a lot closer to the truth than anybody knows.
Horseman in "Age of Apocalypse" included Holocaust, Abyss, and Mikhail Rasputin. I forget who the 4th was.
Apocalypse also aggravates me because although he's a really powerful bad guy (or was, before he merged with Cyclops?), he looks like a blasted CLOWN in that exosuit outfit, with that blue around the lips.
And why can't OUR Magneto, or Polaris, or some magnetic field - powered good guy do to him what Age of Apocalypse Magneto did to him? SPLORCCH!
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