The Vatican urges all Catholic politicians to fight gay marriages. Perhaps the Pope has forgotten that this is the 21st century, and not the Dark Ages.
The church has absolutely no place whatsoever in politics, ESPECIALLY not in politics of foreign countries. Imposing superstitious medieval laws upon people is utterly ridiculous. Why on earth would you want to deny gay couples marriage? If they want to get married and adopt children, they should be able to. Could someone explain to me what the problem is with that?
In my country, gay marriages are legalised. But still, the current conservative government seems to have no problems at all with the Vatican's words. The opposition, however, argues that the Vatican is meddling in our politics and that it is attacking our country in doing so. Not likely that Dutch tanks will roll into the Vatican any time soon, though...
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It's funny, I actually think the Vatican would issue something like this after the Supreme Court in the US sided with the two gay men who had their privacy invaded in Texas. As much as people will try their hardest to curb gay marriage and rights, it is going to be eventually accepted. It may take another 50 years, but people are patient... I know I am.
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Well, its pretty irrelevant in Canada at least. Given that:
quote: Chr�tien and Liberal MP Paul Martin, who is considered the front-runner to succeed him, are both Catholics but have indicated they won't heed the Vatican's call.
A spokesperson says the prime minister respects the church's opinion, but he believes in separation of church and state.
Speaking in Toronto Wednesday, Martin said he must take a wider perspective as a legislator.
IIRC, both the Bloc and Joe Clark speaking for the Progressive Conservatives are in favour of it, the NDP obviously would be, leaving a very isolated Canadian Alliance.
Well, at least there's the good old US to raise havoc
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Ten quatloos that god is both gay and black.
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Icing on the cake. B)
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There is talk about some religious right compromising on whether or not the union of two homosexuals should be "legally joined". Their only beef is that it would be called "marriage". They would rather have marriage reserved for men and women, and "civil union" for homosexuals. They also argue that homosexual couples could have the same rights and freedoms as heterosexual couples. They just don't want to call it marriage.
Same spousal rights, different name, what do you think?
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quote: The church has absolutely no place whatsoever in politics, ESPECIALLY not in politics of foreign countries.
Well, that might be the case today, but for the majority of its history the situation was exactly the opposite. So, I mean, yeah, it's outdated for sure. But I'm not so sure I buy the idea that this is somehow improper by the standards of the Vatican. You don't chart a course of international political dominance for over a millennia and then just change overnight.
Also, nitpick: Which nation _isn't_ foreign from the perspective of the Vatican?
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: Perhaps the Pope has forgotten that this is the 21st century, and not the Dark Ages.
Perhaps the Pope is under the impression that God's law is timeless, and not subject to political correctness.
So he's okay with stoning, slavery of captured POW's and their children, he's kosher, he believes in "an eye for an eye" and that money exchanges are wrong. That'll all fit really well with today's world.
Oh, yeah: the world is flat, evolution is wrong and earth is the center of the universe with the sun and planets revolving aound it.
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Well, he has only got the one. That we know of. And speaking of that, would he refer to Mary as his "baby' momma"?
"Why on earth would you want to deny gay couples marriage? If they want to get married and adopt children, they should be able to. Could someone explain to me what the problem is with that?"
Well, from JP's point of view, Leviticus 20:13. And, um, something in one of the Paul letters. One of the ones to Corinth, maybe. I don't remember.
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