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Okay, we know Chief Petty Officers exist, so we must have POs, too. Do we have any canon evidence as to the existence of (a) Master Chiefs, and (b) Warrant Officers?
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Well, O'Brien's insignia on DS9 had three chevrons and two little dots on it. It's been suggested that the chevrons denote petty officers (third, second, and first class), and the dot represent higher levels (chief, senior chief, and master chief). This would make O'Brien a senior chief petty officer, even though he was only called a CPO, but that's not so far-fetched. After all, how often were lieutenant commanders called "commander"?
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According to the site, the WO is level with SCPO on experience and used when a SCPO want to go to an officer rank. O'Brien used this in the early seasons of DS9 - maybe this is true and he was hoping to become a Lt or something???? I don't know - maybe, maybe not - the site is made by a fan.
** the bit that is added to Ensign to make them a Lt (junior grade).
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There was a canonical mention of a petty officer. I believe in was in the DS9 episode where Ezri tracks the assassin with the "transporter gun."
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I'm pretty sure we've seen NCO ranks in the movies, too - it's just they weren't named. There are some non-officer rank pins on various crewmen in STVI:UC, IIRC.
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I came up with some enlisted ranks for an online fanfic series. The design is based a little...ok, a lot off the Air Force, but the ranks are Navy.
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Do NONE of you own the third edition of The Star Trek Encyclopedia?! GAH!! They have a rather large two page diagram of all rank insignia pins seen in the movies, TNG, and Voyager. The films II-VII have the following NCO rank pins: ables'man, Petty Officer 1st Class, CPO, Senior CPO, Master CPO 2nd Class, Master CPO. For commissioned officers, there are Lieutnant J.G. to Fleet Captain and Commodore to Fleet Admiral.
That chevron thing is listed in the Encyclopedia as the rank for Chief of Operations. A single half pip is listed as Chief Warrant Officer. For the Maquis rank insignia, a single "half-bar" is equivalent to the half-pip.
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Which Encyclopedia is the third edition? The one with the bluish cover with the 6 or 7 main starships/stations throughout the series? I keep getting confused .
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Well, while we are on the subject, what's the purpose of Warrant Officers? How do they fit it with the scheme of officeres and enlisted? Also, what's an ables'man?
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A WO is inbetween the officer and enlisted ranks. Officers are commissioned, while a warrant is not. However, warrants are entitled to salutes from enlisted personnel, just as an officer is. Warrants are given to enlisted personnel with a high degree of skill and capability in their given specialization. A WO or CWO is respected highly for their experience, and capabilities, because they rose all the way through the enlisted rank ladder to reach this rank. The warrant ranks are equivalent to officer ranks. A WO is equal to an Army/Marine Corps/Air Force second lieutenant, or a Navy ensign. The ranks go up to CW4, equivalent to a major, or lieutenant commander. They recieve the same benefits that any officer of that rank is entitled to. WO's are in a class all of their own.
As for an ablesman, he/she is the lowest enlisted rank on the totem pole. They are a throwback to the age of sail. The closest comparison is a Navy seamen. Hope this helps.
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See, I knew there were people here very well-versed in military rank/rate structure. Thanks, Warped and Aethelwer.
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quote:The films II-VII have the following NCO rank pins: ables'man, Petty Officer 1st Class, CPO, Senior CPO, Master CPO 2nd Class, Master CPO.
Nope, the Movie rank pins in the Encyclopedia are full of mistakes. There is no Fleet Captain rank and the Lt. Cmdr. pin is incorrect. The pins for the NCOs are incorrect too, eg the Master CPO 2nd class pin does not exist. And the correct ranks are: Master CPO Senior CPO Chief Petty Officer Petty Officer 1st class Petty Officer 2nd class Able Seaman
Check my homepage for the correct system if you want.
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A WO is inbetween the officer and enlisted ranks. Officers are commissioned, while a warrant is not. However, warrants are entitled to salutes from enlisted personnel, just as an officer is.
No he isn't. A WO is addressed as 'Sir' (or 'Ma'am') but is not to be saluted. The salute is reserved for a holder of the commission.
I know the 2nd (yes, I mean 2nd) ed. of the Encyclopaedia has Movie-era NCO rank pins. How 'canon' are they, though? Have they been seen on screen or are they figment's of Drexler's imagination?
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