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I just read Bernts comments on the tellarite shuttle from "Bounty". I think I agree with him on that it�s probably the Alice-shuttle from Voyager redressed. But I distinctly remember from the episode, just when Archer and the tellarite were being attacked and descended into athmosphere, that I saw a topside schematic of the vessel! Anyone got a pic? Also, anyone got a bigger pic of the shuttle landed? I want to know how the model and cgi were modified.
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What happened to the days when a 'major' race had some thought and care put into their ship's design and not just a re-jigging of an 'alien of the week' ship - which was itself rehashed out of something else, I'd reckon?
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I think they should bring in another team to make new ships so that it doesn't interfer with the other work on the show and we'd get some new ones
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: What happened to the days when a 'major' race had some thought and care put into their ship's design and not just a re-jigging of an 'alien of the week' ship - which was itself rehashed out of something else, I'd reckon?
Even worse, the Tellarites were given no distinctive traits, very little backstory, and were basically Voyager-type Aliens-of-the-Week. I was not impressed.
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Well, in my opinion they have done good work on the andorians and the vulcans as far as the ships go. However, my main disappointment is with the klingons! Stupid reasoning with the ship-designs!
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: What happened to the days when a 'major' race had some thought and care put into their ship's design and not just a re-jigging of an 'alien of the week' ship - which was itself rehashed out of something else, I'd reckon?
"Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon designs"?
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THey need someone besides Eaves to design the alien ships: nothing against the man: I really like many of his designs, it's just that after a while, you can tell it's all coming from one designer.
Three artists would work well: whatever happened to Probert and Sternbach? Were they liberated from captivity or what?
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To be fair, one would hope the modelling process would have improved steadily since TOS. I think Andrew's point was that the "thought and care" peaked somewhere back in the '90s and is going back downhill.
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In any case, "The Next Generation" was hardly this OMG-NEW-SHIP-DESIGN paradise that some seem to think it was. The Merchantman model as a variety of different ships, that v-shaped freighter kept turning up (Riker throws it into the sun in "Final Mission", for instance), and many other alien ships were used as other alien ships (that X-shaped one from the episode with the boy raised by aliens who then stabs Picard before throwing ice-cream at Wesley, or something). And I don't want to go crazy and use a "ferchrisake", but it took then 4 years to actually build contempory Klingon and Starfleet vessels, ferchisakes.
DS9 was equally guilty, unless half the alien races in the galaxy all bought their ships from the Wadi.
(I will now do a classic piece of Simon-backtracking and say that I don't necessarily agree with some of the points raised here. Specifically, that having more than one person designing ships would be beneficial. But I'm going to fall to my knees and start worshipping the almighty Andy "dustbuster" Propert, or Rick "flying toilet seat" Sternbach either.)
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: To be fair, one would hope the modelling process would have improved steadily since TOS. I think Andrew's point was that the "thought and care" peaked somewhere back in the '90s and is going back downhill.
Yes, thanks TSN.
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quote:And I don't want to go crazy and use a "ferchrisake", but it took then 4 years to actually build contempory Klingon and Starfleet vessels, ferchisakes.
To be fair, the reason for this was because they didn't want to spend money making new Starfleet & Klingon ship models if the show wasn't popular & got cancelled after the first or second season. It also explains why we got reuses of movie models such as the Excelsior, Merchantman, BoP, etc., which realistically would have been out-of-date vessels in the late 24th century. Plus, they even used models from other shows & movies to save money ("V", "Night of the Creeps").
For the first three seasons, there were only three new main models built (sans the Ent-D), with their own specific circumstances:
The Stargazer: TPTB were going to reuse the movie Enterprise until Greg Jein decided to make a different model for it.
The Romulan warbird: the only reason why TPTB had to make a new Rommie model was because there was no Rommie movie model to reuse.
The Ent-C: Obviously they couldn't use an existing movie model for the C, so this had to be a newbuild.
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