quote:Originally posted by Masao: We never same homosexuality on TOS (except for those who chose to see it). But in Metamorphosis, Kirk and the boys suggest a rather open attitude towards relationships in the 23rd century.
That's a great bit of dialogue. I'd forgotten it!
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I suppose, at, a pinch, you could use the non-reaction of everyone in "The Emperor's New Cloak" as a sign that Starfleet (or at least, Sisko) doesn't get all whipped up (in either way) by the sight of two ladies kissing.
Of course, Sisko could be hating the white ho's on the inside. Word up.
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: Don't you people know that hate is all right when it's endorsed by God?
Hate endorsed by God? When/where/what?
When is it not? You are telling me that some people do not use God to justify their petty little hatreds? Don't tell me you don't. I don't really care. Maybe you worship a kind loving God (or rather you are not a prejudiced person so your god is not). I did not say that all people who believe in God are racists, or even that all of the ones who are racists use God to justify their hate. However, a large number of racists base their hatred on God. Most organized racist groups are based around religions.
The Jews killed Christ and must be exterminated. You're right, no hatred there. What was I thinking? Religion has been used to justify slavery, every type of racism, sexism, and any other hatred imaginable. "When/where/what?" Hell I was replying someone that justified a hatred as a religious belief and said because of that, others could not condemn him for it. It's not prejudice if God says it's OK. Hell that's what started this whole tangent: "it's not a prejudice�it's a religious belief."
The real reason I brought this up was not to attack Phoenix or religion. I actually was hoping to get a response from Phoenix. I would sincerely like to know if he thinks his own justification would apply to others such as KKK member who justifies his beliefs because it is a religious belief. Does this mean he is not a racist? If it doesn't, why not? What's the difference?
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You are telling me that some people do not use God to justify their petty little hatreds?
AH! I finally get it! The reason you're not making any sense is that you keep interchanging terms that aren't synonymous. Please note, for future reference: the Catholic church is not God, people who use God to justify their hatred aren't God, and disapproval of actions is not hatred of those acting. Thus Christians disapproving of homosexuality is not an expression of hatred, nor were the Catholic Crusades an endorsement by God of hate. Are we on the same page now?
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Homophobia and bigotry are hardly exclusive to the catholic church.
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Because Catholic Church = Paedophile jokes are, like, sooooo 2003! To the max.
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gives a whole new meaning to the term 'priest hole'...
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quote:nor were the Catholic Crusades an endorsement by God of hate.
No, God's endorsements of hate are mostly in the OT. You know, "Go into that town there, my chosen savages, and kill every living thing except the young virgin girls. Those, you can rape."
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A 'Priest's Hole' was a hiding space (usually in the church) in which the clergyman could secrete himself if in danger.
BTW: I'm not a God basher. I'm also not an Easter Bunny basher. You can't hit what doesn't exist. Sorry if I'm hitting some people where it hurts - but console yourself with the long view:
500 years from now - people who believe in things they can't point to won't be mocked - they'll be medicated.
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