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I agree that it should NOT be made a big issue, but just as a matter of casual fact. Some line like "Chef and Bobby are getting married" in with a list of other ship's weekly activities. Not a unique event.
TNG's season one occasionally showed men in starfleet dresses: most notably in the saucer seperation scene of the first episode. No big neon sign over this guy's head was added to the scene reading -"LOOK: HE'S GAY!" That's how it should be handled and how it was handled.
On DS9, when Dax was going to presue a relationship with her former lover, the scandal was NOT because it was a same-sex relationship, but only the Trill taboo on interference with past host's lives. Nobody even blinked about her being with a woman.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: TNG's season one occasionally showed men in starfleet dresses: most notably in the saucer seperation scene of the first episode. No big neon sign over this guy's head was added to the scene reading -"LOOK: HE'S GAY!" That's how it should be handled and how it was handled.
Excuse me? Just cause a man is wearing a "skant" (skirt/pant) -- as they were called -- that doesn't mean he's gay or that that was the intent (I sure hope not!). Most gay men wouldn't be caught dead in a dress...drag queens are another issue entirely.
If I'm misreading your intent, please let me know.
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quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: For a lot of people, it's a religious conviction, not a prejudice.
Those same religions also typically condemn fornication (and a lot of other things), but you won't usually see the people who'd use such beliefs to complain about homosexuality likewise complaining about Picard doing Vash outside of holy matrimony.
Burn in Hell, Jean Luc!
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"You show people what's possible, how it could be good, and people start changing the way they see it, start thinking maybe."
Getting members of the KKK & other fundie groups to think would be an accomplishment akin to, uh, something damn near impossible.
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There isn't enough technobabble on all of Trek to make that happen. But it doesn't hurt to try . . . you never know when their children might be listening.
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quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Those same religions also typically condemn fornication (and a lot of other things), but you won't usually see the people who'd use such beliefs to complain about homosexuality likewise complaining about Picard doing Vash outside of holy matrimony.
Burn in Hell, Jean Luc!
There are different degrees of sin, you know.
I doubt even the most fundamental Christian would complain that the crew of the Enterprise don't stop work on Sundays.
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I doubt even the most fundamental Christian would complain that the crew of the Enterprise don't stop work on Sundays
This is a sin, now? Crrrrrap....
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: I doubt even the most fundamental Christian would complain that the crew of the Enterprise don't stop work on Sundays
This is a sin, now? Crrrrrap....
It is if you're a Reformist.....I know that much.....I also believe breaking wind at the table is for those people as well....
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: I doubt even the most fundamental Christian would complain that the crew of the Enterprise don't stop work on Sundays
This is a sin, now? Crrrrrap....
Well it's one of the Ten Commandments, isn't it?
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A) Honor the sabbath day and keep it holy. Depends on how you define sabbath.
B) The ten commandments were given to the jews, not Christians. Those of us who've actually read the New Testament do not recognize them as legally binding. Because we don't believe in legalism, you see.
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quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: There are different degrees of sin, you know.
We could get into an entire theological discussion about what various religious texts say on the subject, and whether this line in Leviticus has more weight than the next, or even if it applies where Grace replaces Law (as Omega said "Those of us who've actually read the New Testament do not recognize them as legally binding. Because we don't believe in legalism, you see."), but that sorta gets way off the topic!
My point was that it's easy to pick out one bit of a religious text to support a presupposition or opinion, but that many who do so conveniently forget the bits they don't want to obey. (Leviticus being a great example of this...it says don't lay with another man as you do with a woman, but, oh yeah, it also say no tattoos, and don't wear cloth woven of two kinds of yarn, etc, etc...)
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Quiet with the religious talk, you. One more word and you'll be banned faster than an Enterprise Warp Core Breach.
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quote:Originally posted by Cartmaniac: Getting members of the KKK & other fundie groups to think would be an accomplishment akin to, uh, something damn near impossible.
Well OK, no, prolly not the KKK or the Mickey Mouse Club, but maybe like Guardian says, their kids. I'm just saying that if you show people how it could be, someone who might otherwise have been sitting on the fence (yes, I am aware and am consciously making reference to this homosexual axiom) might watch and be influenced and give them a better thought-out picture that is a little more positive and progressive than what Will And Grace might have to offer.
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