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TSN
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Yes, well... If the people we're hurting are those who pay full price for the stuff, and those people don't need the things they're paying full price for, we're not really hurting them. Sounds like any moral dilemma there was just went right out the window... :-)

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TSN, that made no sense. First of Two is entirely correct, IMNSHO. You want stuff that you can't afford, or don't want to pay for, and are trying to pretend that you're different from any other thief.

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First of Two
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Need I remind everyone that getting something without having to pay for it was one of the prime motivators behind the creation of the "I Love You" virus?

Not to mention Insurance Fraud (which only costs the rest of us about 50% of what we pay in insurance, because big companies pass losses, even PROJECTED, HYPOTHETICAL losses, on to the other consumers).

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[This message has been edited by First of Two (edited May 16, 2000).]


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TSN
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Frank: What I'm pointing out is this... According to what was said here, the companies aren't "hurting" people by raising prices, because the software/music in question isn't a necessity of life. If someone doesn't like the price, they're free to do without. By that same principle, if pirating software/music causes prices to go up, the piraters aren't hurting anyone any more than the companies. So where is the moral obligation to not pirate?

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Erm, I just want to say that while I'm all for burning down the offices of record executives, my devotion to the cause is related to the very specific nature of the music business, and as such my views don't carry over to whatever issue X you'd like to raise.

Just so that when Gates' private detachment of Swiss Guard comes looking for TSN, they'll leave me alone.

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TSN: It's still against the law. If people don't obey the law, society collapses.

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Like I said, civil disobedience. :-)

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That's just a euphemism for "breaking the law."

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Oh, well. M.L. King and M.K. Gandhi were criminals, then, but what are you going to do about it? :-)

And, yes, I know that's not the same thing. Don't anyone go exploding over the comparison between civil rights and software piracy. And I know someone out there is thinking about it. So don't. :-�

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Both Gandhi and King spent time in jail, too, IIRC.

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TSN
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Yes, but does that mean they should have?

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Why shouldn't they?

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"In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law...that would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty." - Dr. Martin Luther King, writing from Birmingham prison in April, 1967.

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And those Jews who were breaking the law in Nazi Germany? Eh?

(Normally, I object to the old "Oh yeah? you want to bring back Hitler, you do" argument, but I'm nothing if not a hypocrite)

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Well, this all assumes you want to live in whatever country we're discussing.

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