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First off, this has been one of my favorite, if not my favorite episode of Enterprise to this day. We definitely knew it was going to be a big episode, but I had no clue it was something of this proportions.
[mm:ss] These timestamps corispond to the version of the show I have watched, which is this VCD release: 2004-03-02 Enterprise S03E18 *VCD* 31x15 MB TV. Yes, I download my episodes of Enterprise as I do not own a telivision. The HDTV rips are much higher quality then what you see on regular telivision anyway. Additionally, I get to see most shows a day or two before they air. You can grab this in the usuall places if you want to follow along. I am unsure if pointing those places out here is okay or not, so I wont disclose that information.
Anyway, here it goes:
[0:44] The Xindi ships escorting Degra�s ship look an awfully lot like the Son�a ships from Insurrection. Lazi CGI or is there a link here?
[1:24] Xindi drinks must be strong or they cant hold booze worth a damn, when Degra was toasting those shoots looked to be about half an ounce.
[3:43] The Xindi security net is made of thousands of satellites which re-configure if one goes down.
[4:11] More shots of the Insectoid shuttle, looks like the landing gear is nothing but three tiny prongs. Most illogical.
[4:19] More interior shots. Looks like Xindi Insectoids prefer switches, dials, and throttles rather than touch screens and displays.
[5:38] The Xindi shuttle looks like it has a forward facing �spike� nacelle, all blue like Degra�s ship.
[6:06] Looks like Trip is responsible for yet another dent in the Enterprise�s hull.
[10:12] Looks like the spike-nacelle contracts closer to the ship for underwater travel. By the way, the water CGI looked awesome.
[10:30] Two Xindi ships pass our stolen shuttle. I like the style here. Looks like a cross between the USS Dauntless NX-01A and the Starfleet fighters that littered the battles abundant in the latter seasons of DS9.
[10:43] That�s no moon� No, it�s the Xinid Superweapon and its contraction apparatus. Very cool stuff here, we see all sorts of cranes and support struts holding the thing in place, underwater.
[11:09] Looks like there�s a opening near the base of the weapon that opens up to a horribly large vulnerability. It�s just like the Death Star!
[12:53] And so our big scene begins. Where are we? 2553. 200 years after the TNG era and 400 years after the Enterprise era. The Next Next Generation. Archer finds himself on the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J. Sounds a bit weird, we are used to the letter having an �ee� sound� BEE, CEE, DEE, EE.. JAY doesn�t exactly roll of the tongue, but I don�t think the letters are there to �sound cool�. This must mean that between 2376 (Nemesis) and 2553 (Enterprise-J), there was a F, G, H, and I. Assuming the Enterprise-J was rather new in this scene, each Enterprise (Including the E) lasted for and average of about 35 years. Not too shabby. Of course, one could argue that they never used �I�, as it looks too much like �1�, if this is the case, we can assume around 45 years per Enterprise, which is pretty damn good. Leads me to belive there was a period where there was no Enterprise. But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
[13:00] The Enterprise-J interior is a bit more utilitarian then the Ent-E. Undoubtedly the result of Klingon design influence since they are a key member in the Federation at this time. (Enough that Daniels lists them in his short-hand list of Federation members in the 2550�s).
[13:21] Looks like Starfleet still uses the Prometheus-Class Starship more then 175 years after its prototype. It delivers the final blow to one of the Sphere-Builder ships.
[13:35] The Expanse Barrier appears to expand in 50,000 lightyears in every direction and is expanding. That�s a good part of our Galaxy. What makes out Galaxy so important, why do all these trans-dimensional species want it? First 8472 now the sphere builders.
[13:46] The Enterprise-J. A good clear look. Thinner nacelle pylons then we are used to seeing. I wonder if they move. The nacelles seem to be scaled down a bit as well. More efficient warp technology or different technology all together? Its nice to see it doesn�t look so.. human. Obviously other species helped design the Enterprise-J as its more alien in appearance then what we are used to.
[13:54] The test subject was in fact a sphere builder. Also, looks like the front of the Ent-J saucer looks a bit like the Wells-Class Timeship. Same odd texturing. Perhaps the Federation is dipping into time travel by this time?
[14:04] The Enterprise-J plays a monumental event in history. She�s present at the Battle of Procyon 4 and delivers the final blows to a rather large Sphere-Builder ship.
[14:05] Well, heres this first thing you guys are going to hate. A Dauntless-Class Starship (NX-01A) is seen chasing a Sphere Builder outside of the Enterprise-J�s window. Apparently Voyager�s scans of the vessel eventually make it into Starfleets hands and is developed when they have the technology.
[14:45] Uh oh. I see a Nova-Class Starship, In use 170+ years after its appearance on Voyager? Perhaps they just recycled the design? She helps the Enterprise-J destroy the Sphere Builder Ship.
[14:46] Sphere Builders have technology that can examine alternate timelines. Is it at all possible that our Season 1 and 2 shadowy figure, the person most likely behind EVERYTHING is a Sphere Builder?
[19:25] If the Xindi are hoping to destroy humanity so their planet wont be destroyed, wouldn�t this create a horrible paradox?
[27:07] Apparently its conclusive that it was in fact a comet that collided with earth that destroyed the Dinosaurs.
[34:59] �She may have taken them.� Hello. Who is she? Perhaps She is the Sphere Builder that is the Xindi�s �contact� for this information about the Humans? She is apparently capable of time travel.
[35:04] The Weapon has been moved, without the Enterprise knowing it. Perhaps they opened a Transwarp conduit right there under the sea?
[35:20] The Xindi Aquatics are apparently responsible for the construction of this weapon, as the whole damn thing is underwater. This occurred to me when Degra and posse were discussing how to deal with the new Reptillian threat.
[38:20] The Reptillians want the Enterprise dead. Now. She gets roughed up Voyager Year of Hell style at the end here. Apparently comm. Can go down pretty easily. The Enterprise eventually vents plasma as its starboard nacelle was shattered. I really liked the shot of the crewmen flying out of the enterprise after part of the hull is destroyed.
I hope Daniels intervenes before the Enterprise is too fucked up.
Look what happens when you put a woman in command of an Enterprise. Don�t they learn?
EDIT: As per Mark's request...
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quote:[12:53] And so our big scene begins. Where are we? 2553. 200 years after the TNG era and 400 years after the Enterprise era. The Next Next Generation. Archer finds himself on the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J. Sounds a bit weird, we are used to the letter having an �ee� sound� BEE, CEE, DEE, EE.. JAY doesn�t exactly roll of the tongue, but I don�t think the letters are there to �sound cool�. This must mean that between 2376 (Nemesis) and 2553 (Enterprise-J), there was a F, G, H, and I. Assuming the Enterprise-J was rather new in this scene, each Enterprise (Including the E) lasted for and average of about 35 years. Not too shabby. Of course, one could argue that they never used �I�, as it looks too much like �1�, if this is the case, we can assume around 45 years per Enterprise, which is pretty damn good. Leads me to belive there was a period where there was no Enterprise. But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
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here's some filler, since we have HOURS yet: From Treknation
quote:Sweeps Press Release: Enterprise finally arrives at the sight of the Xindi weapon that is meant to destroy Earth, but Archer�s mission is thrown into doubt when Crewman Daniels makes a visit. He takes Archer 400 years into the future to show him a conspiracy involving another species planning an invasion of the universe and explains that these creatures are responsible for pitting the humans against the Xindi in the first place. (January 08, 2004 - TrekToday)
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Awesome stuff. I'll be creating a vector schematic sometime soon. I've been thirsty for new Federation starships for some time.
I'd say the 19 years between the C's distruction and the 1701-D they must of had some non-Enterprise flagship in service durring that time, so yes, i'd assume the flagship doesnt HAVE to be the Enterprise, but when there is an Enterprise its the Federation Flagship.
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The E-J was obviously meant to echo the Pre-E's shilhouette, while throwing in a bunch of post-TNG hints. It's almost as though the "classic" hull arrangements of the other Enterprises never existed...
As for the other ships, it's pretty obvious that the average viewer isn't meant to take too close a look at them - only masochist Trek geeks like us would dissect it frame by frame. Can't explain the Dauntless, but the Prommie and Nova in service might not be THAT out of sync, if hulls are indeed supposed to last 100 years. Since they're in a war, they may have pulled a bunch of old clunkers out of mothballs - but the 26th century, they could well have zillions of ancient ships around. It's implied frequently in various TNG episodes with frieghters and such that ships can last that long.
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quote:You can grab this in the usuall places if you want to follow along. I am unsure if pointing those places out here is okay or not, so I wont disclose that information.
FTR, no, it isn't OK. That includes private messages. The use of Flare to discuss trading of, or conduct in trading of ripped episodes will result in swift permabannage.
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Well, maybe they're really desperate. Desperate enough to mess with an already-messed-with timeline and nick the Dauntless from just before it was about to arrive in Borg space and get assimilated. One could reason that since the Borg had already assimilated whatsisface's species and all their tech, they'd probably already have all the NX-01A's (sic) technical wonders.
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IMHO, the E-J is a hideous ship. She is a flattened pancake of cow dren with a twig sticking out the butt-end. Ugh!!
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I have to say that this is the very best Enterprise episode to date and equal to the very best of DS9.
As to the battle, it could have been sone huge cross-temporal battle with ships from various regions/ eras/ alternate realities fighting side-by-side.
All in all, a great episode.
Um...is this the season finale?
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