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Biased you say? When in fact we just won an award for lowest VOC emissions for a facility this size? Biased? Because instead of expanding production we instead spent over $2million on VOC emission control equipment? Spent $1.5million on a device to recycle the CO2 that we use? Biased when we buy 20% of our power from "alternate" sources like wind, solar, landfill-gas reclaim and tidal plants even though it costs much much more than plugging into Russel Station Coal Power Plant across town?
Hmmmm...
Intresting how no one really knows if our polution is to blame or if this is a natural warming cycle yet people crap all over industry because the Mighty God Of The World The All Powerful American Goverment bows to the greenicks.
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Look up for yourself and see how many powerplants are slated to close because the utility companies can't afford the upgraded enviromental control systems. Yeah. That'll help the straining grid. Better start conserving now, because power-rationing is around the corner. Can't conserve what we don't have! Remember that!
While you are at it look up the cost of enviromental control equipment, look up what happened to the people who worked at Diaz Chemical here in Holley NY. Now apply that across the country and the economic cost is staggering.
Someday you'll be telling your children about the day the last american industrial worker was hired by Burger King, and the day we became total slaves to overseas manufacturing.
Krrrriest I need a beer. Ya'll piss me off.
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Well, the good thing is, that with global warming the people won't be too cold at night, as they lose their homes, or lose the power to run them....
Still, Sty, if more companies were as you say, then we could all breath a bit easier in the long run, although you don't have stockholders to please do you? I mean, when you hold half a million to a million stock options as a CEO of a big conglomerate you don't want that pricing lowering because you spent money on something like emission controls.... You have got to keep the profit up, so you are worth more and more every day....
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"with global warming the people won't be too cold at night..."
No... they'll just be soaking wet. B)
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We are privatly owned, not publicly traded.
My wife and I own 75% of the "stock" and the rest is divided up amongst family members that contrubited to the company. Like Uncle Fred who helped float our first loan, and Liz's mother who ran our accounting system untill it got complex.
This is one reason that we will never "go public" with this company. You do somthing positive like add emission control, your stock price plunges to the ground. You do somthing negitive like lay off 2,000 workers and move thier work overseas then your stock-price goes back up.
...and don't get me started on that whole "Company X failed to meet analyst's expectations of $.25/share earnings therefore the stock price collapsed..." crap. And that entire "Stock-Price more important than growth" crap that put us in this depression to begin with.
...I need another beer. Stat!
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Styrofoaman said: "It's been known for a long long time that this global-warming thing is utter crap." "The All Powerful American Goverment bows to the greenicks"
I'm not questioning the professionalism and ethics you strive to live by in the management of your factory, in fact I commend it, but looking at what you've said in this discussion, regarding any proposed bias on your part, um, alarm bells are ringing.
Also, the news just revealed that the US, under its new government, wants to step out of the Montreal Protocol as well. The reason according to spokesmen is that the US wants to protect the legions of farmers using ozone-consuming pesticides and fertilizers, so that the farmers' budgets will look better.
Not only does the US want to keep on using these pesticides and fertilizers but is asking for permission to increase the use of them.
Since the US alone uses more of this stuff than all of Europe combined, our continued restrictions will in the future become negligible compared to your policy-reversal and increased usage.
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Ah, sorry. I must have missed that about the fertilizers.
Intresting.
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I'm not biased when it comes to enviromental controls. Dumping VOC into the air above Fairport is not a good thing by any means. I just get mad when they pass (IMHO) knee-jerk bills restricting my activites based on flimsy science.
Hmmm... this is turning into a three-beer thread. Anyone else want one?
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The US Gov't will probably reverse the reverses when a different Administration comes in to power in a little over a year.
"I just get mad when they pass (IMHO) knee-jerk bills restricting my activites based on flimsy science."
And the same people that cheer over this would scream if someone even proposed a bill with biblical backing....
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I think that this world could stand to be a few degrees warmer...
How do the scientists know that the recent trend is human caused. They use tree rings and other crap to determine what the temperature used to be like.
But how do they know what the Earth's temperature was 80 million years ago? They can't, cuz they weren't there. So they have no basis on which to make thier claims.
The planet survived thousands of other problems. Asteroids, Comets, Volcanos. I'm sure it can survive us.
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Styro, I applaud you for your environmental efforts. But surely you see that not every business is going to have your scruples. However, I suggest that perhaps your anger is misplaced. By making it more expensive for you to do business, perhaps the government is acting irresponsibly by not holding overseas suppliers to the same standards, compensating you and your domestic peers, or adjusting tariffs such that the pricing would be competitive. You could ask your representatives about that. Because I mean it sounds like that what's upsetting you. I don't know that I could ever really be upset about legislation that was a touch over-cautious when it comes to balancing the potential habitability of the planet versus profit margins.
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quote: Biased you say? When in fact we just won an award for lowest VOC emissions for a facility this size? Biased? Because instead of expanding production we instead spent over $2million on VOC emission control equipment? Spent $1.5million on a device to recycle the CO2 that we use? Biased when we buy 20% of our power from "alternate" sources like wind, solar, landfill-gas reclaim and tidal plants even though it costs much much more than plugging into Russel Station Coal Power Plant across town?
Really, thats absolutely impressive. It is completely stunning, the quality of the forumgoer we attract here at Flare. I'm sure we'd all appreciate a link to the organisation that gave your facility an award, so we can read all about your achievements.
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It rocks that your company destroys the environment slower than your competitors.
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Yes, I can see the pot of gold, and I am happy that I am now rich, but someone is probably going to hit me in the head with it....
Yep, outside that silver lining is that fucking dark cloud.....
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