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Omega
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It's not our job to make up for the mistakes of others claiming to espouse our beliefs when they obviously didn't.

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First of Two
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No. But it IS your job to resist them. Strongly and loudly.

Let me know when you're going to get around to that, okay? I'll come out on the line and stand beside you.
Well, to be more acctrate, you'll be coming out on the line with me, 'cause I can't remember when I last went to an anti-pseudochristian rally with any christians.

Oh, as for how the F-22 is doing.. It must be well-received, if the JSF, patterned on it, is being ordered by both the US Navy and Marines.

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Omega
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I do oppose them. *sarcasm* Sorry if I'm not as voiceferous as you'd prefer. */sarcasm*

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Sol System
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While I suppose it might be comforting to think that everyone who isn't your particular brand of Christian is a lying fraud, I'm afraid the facts don't seem to agree. Heck, we have a rather large movement of Christians in the United States who adopt a political interpretation of Christianity. Is Ralph Reed just a deceitful hypocrite?

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First of Two
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No, he's much more than just that.

But he still is that.

Oh, the guy may have good intentions... but as they say, the road to Hell is paved with the stuff.

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Omega
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"I suppose it might be comforting to think that everyone who isn't your particular brand of Christian is a lying fraud"

Did I say this? Did I say anything vaguely resembling this?

If someone doesn't follow the teachings of Christ, then they ain't a Christian, no matter what they call themselves. I'm guessing that most of them are simply misguided, but some are probably just malicious (Farakhan, etc.).

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Diane
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"Did I say this? Did I say anything vaguely resembling this?"

Not in those words, no, but you've said it all along.

"Follow the teachings of Christ?" That's a laugh. If you really did listen to Christ, you'd never say guns buy your freedom. In fact, you'd sooner be killed than pull the trigger yourself. Killing another person is almost like (according to you) believing in evolution, only worse, because Christ didn't tell you not to believe in Evolution. Who was it that said you can't pick and choose what to believe from the Bible? There's only one word for a person who doesn't do what he says.

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Saltah'na
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Omega

"I suppose it might be comforting to think that everyone who isn't your particular brand of Christian is a lying fraud"
Did I say this? Did I say anything vaguely resembling this?

If someone doesn't follow the teachings of Christ, then they ain't a Christian, no matter what they call themselves. I'm guessing that most of them are simply misguided, but some are probably just malicious (Farakhan, etc.).

I think you just answered your own question, Omega. Let's see now, I was baptized a Catholic, but I hardly go to church anymore. I'm not one to believe in anything like the Ressurection or the miracles of the Holy Spirit. But what I DO believe in is the PARABLES. The teachings Jesus gives to his apostles. The Parable of the Sower, The Parable of the Prodigal Son, The Parable of the Good Samaritan (my favourite).

So let me guess, because I don't follow the entire new testament that means that I'm not a Christian by your own definitions, right? And are your own definitions are binding to the point that because I don't follow every single verse on the NT then I should be consigned to the fires of hell where I should burn baby burn burn burn, huh?

Tora: You're born a Gemini, aren't you?

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Omega
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"If you really did listen to Christ, you'd never say guns buy your freedom."

I don't believe I've ever said that. All I say is that gun control increases crime, and is therefore a bad idea. There is evil out there. Anyone would be a fool not to defend theirself against it. You know, that "shrewd as snakes" thing.

"In fact, you'd sooner be killed than pull the trigger yourself."

In all honesty, I'd like to think that if it was only my life at stake, I'd rather take the chance on getting shot and try to find another solution. If I'm defending others, though, I couldn't in good conscience risk THEIR lives. I'd have to take the shot when I had the chance.

Tahna:

Do you believe that Jesus is the son of God? That's pretty much the definitive question. And what happens after you die is not my call.

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Diane
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You have a short memory or what?

"The second ammendment will never be outdated. It will be needed as long as criminals pose a threat to law-abiding citizens, and as long as the government has the power to take away your freedom. To coin a phrase, it is 'nesecary for the security of a free state.'"

You're saying that guns are necessary for the security of a free state, therefore "guns buy your freedom."

You'd better get used to people paraphrasing your own words against you. You'll get a lot of that in politics.

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Omega
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Guns do not buy your freedom. They guarentee it. Large difference.

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Diane
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I was using "buy" as a figure of speech. You ever heard of metaphors? They're quite useful and fun.

Tahna: Gemini?? What gave you that idea? I'm a cancer.

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PsyLiam
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And not yellow bricks, for some reason...

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First of Two
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You want a jesus quote?

"I bring not peace, but the sword."

(Of course, it's also well known that 'the Devil can quote scripture to his own ends,' so make of that what you will.)

You know, JC wasn't above being violent when he believed the situation called for it. Ask the money-changers at the Temple.

Hmm, now THERE's a parable... JC attacked the moneychangers, who had come into his father's house (the temple) without permission from the homeowner (God). Therfore, violence against a home invader is biblifcally justifiable.

See, you can use the durn book to say anything you want.

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Diane
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First: Isn't that why you can't use the Bible as a source in formal debates?

Another thing, does this then mean that the Bible is contradictory?

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