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First of Two
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One descriptive adjective: Failed.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Gee that's nice. The point is, where/when do you draw the line? Asprin, cigarettes are drugs. Viagra's a drug. Sorry if you didn't quite get that, I guess it went over your head. I'll try and use smaller words next time.

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Okay, fine. Split linguistic hairs if you want, we all know you KNOW what drugs I meant.

The law can spell that out, but for the record, the two 'lesser' drugs it should include would be pot and alcohol.

But yeah, if a person downs a whole bottle of cough syrup from a bottle that says 'do not opearate machinery while using' and goes careening down the highway, we'd be better off without them, anyway.

And smokers should be liable for the dangers of their secondhand smoke, just as schools are liable for installing that flaky kind of asbestos.

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I don't think killing people is the answer. It's sort of like throwing money at the problem. It's not really going to do anything except look good in some politician's record. Look at programs like Alcoholics Anonymous, why not try enrolling them in those? I mean, hell, why not close down all bars, or try and come up with a decent public transportation system? Oh, right, too much money to spend. Rather just stack up the dead, huh? What's better?

"I've killed two thousand drunk drivers!"

"I built a public transportation system and drunk driving dropped seventy percent in the last three months!"

First of all, your plan isn't realistic. There aren't enough Police in ANY area to pull over EVERY single impaired driver, so you'd have to hire a shit more cops, which would require raising taxes to pay for it (so that wouldn't work, because we can't raise those precious taxes, can we?)

Second, would you be doing away with due process with this? You get pulled over, are found to be under the influence, and get a .45 slug in the head right there and then? Do you honestly think this sort of plan would go over very well if someone tried to pass it through Congress?

(Even if it was a dictatorships, perhaps you've heard something of the Magna Carta? Yes, a bit out of date, but it's got a concept called "consent to rule." Namely, no matter how many troops you've got, or if you've got divine rule, if the people really want you OUT, they will get you out -- usually by violence. Point is, no matter how many soldiers you may have, there is usually a larger ratio of oppressed -> armed soldiers, and that's not taking into account soldiers who might side with the oppressed (look at the fall of the USSR as a good example). So even in a dictatorship I don't think this plan would go over well.)

Third ... what about honest mistakes? An old man pops his pills, gets behind the car, and has never read the "Don't Operate Motor Vehicle" warning on the pill label, etcetra. Would people accused of these crimes get a trial?

Just wondering.

You may not be aware of this, but in your perfect world, your lovely president of the US of A Mr. George Dubya would be dead as a doornail and six feet under right now. Oh, right, rich white people are exempt. My fault.

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(Even if it was a dictatorships, perhaps you've heard something of the Magna Carta? Yes, a bit out of date, but it's got a concept called "consent to rule." Namely, no matter how many troops you've got, or if you've got divine rule, if the people really want you OUT, they will get you out -- usually by violence. Point is, no matter how many soldiers you may have, there is usually a larger ratio of oppressed -> armed soldiers, and that's not taking into account soldiers who might side with the oppressed (look at the fall of the USSR as a good example). So even in a dictatorship I don't think this plan would go over well.)

Well, we could always look at 1934 Germany. Hitler had an approval rating higher than God, and appealed to the right people. I'm all for facism. If it works, then good. Where can I sign up for the SS?

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about a constituency...that knows nothing. This is pandemic; terrifyingly, paralyzingly pandemic. They know absolutely nothing." - Harlan Ellison.


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Well, shoot me an email and we'll see what we can do.

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>"First of all, your plan isn't realistic. There aren't enough Police in ANY area to pull over
EVERY single impaired driver..."

There aren't enough police out now to stop EVERY other crime on the books now, or even every drunk driver under the laws existing now, ARE there? But we still have them. This challenge is irrelevant, since by applying the exact same logic to the CURRENT situation, you would come to the conclusion that we should give up enforcing the law entirely.

>"Second, would you be doing away with due process with this? You get pulled over, are found to be under the influence, and get a .45 slug in the head right there and then?"

Did I say this? No? then you can pretty much safely assume that that wasn't what I was suggesting. I know as well as anybody that an accusation does not necessarily make one guilty.

>"Third..." Yes.

>"[Blathering about Bush]"
Yes, but so would Darling Clinton, (because in First's Dictatorship, we shoot serial sex offenders, too (look up Juanita Broderick and ask her about darling Billy) - after their trial, which they have, no matter their approval rating) so we wouldn't be in this fix anyway.


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First,

I never implied anything. I just wanted to know if it would be done right then on the spot under your law. You can be awfully touchy sometimes. I was simply asking for clarification. I mean, you're talking about "your dictatorship" all the time, how am I supposed to know a dictatorship is going to believe in the American system of justice? Really now.

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I think El Salvador is a country where, if you are caught driving under the influence you can be shot on the spot, but, after a test, if the person wasn't, the cop is then shot. Makes it rough on the cop to goof it up.

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El Salvador = Good.

Why are our lawmakers such pussies?

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- Harlan Ellison, on the Media Consumer of today.



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It isn't an expensive trip. I'm sure we could put a collection together.

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I'd take you up on that, but I'm all out of 'Illegal live kidney donor' shields.

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"...[They've] been so completely dumbed down by the media, by tabloid scumbags, by the Christian "right", by politicians in general, the school, parents who are dumber than their parents were, who are dumber than their parents were, and all of whom think that they can bring up a child just because they got down in bed and had a little sex...well, frankly, here is an audience that knows more and more about less and less as the years go by...We are talking about a constituency...that knows nothing. This is pandemic; terrifyingly, paralyzingly pandemic. They know absolutely nothing."
- Harlan Ellison, on the Media Consumer of today.


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