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I rather thought the whole of the coverage was pretty well balanced.
I trust you read more than the Republican, er, Democratic Governor Davis' speech section. I'm not wholly sure that your theory...because much of what you write in earlier parts ot the thread are theory about deregulation and now what is practically happening in California...hold true in the energy market of California.
quote:What went wrong? Conceived in the depths of an economic recession and just before the Internet boom, deregulation was based on the assumption that electricity demand would grow gradually.
Instead, it raced ahead as much as three times more quickly than predicted, straining the supply. In fact, although California's per capita energy use is the third-lowest in the nation, California also generates less power per resident than any other state.
Out-of-state plants make up the deficit, but electricity supplies became so tight last year that the Bay Area got hit with a blackout and state authorities declared emergency shortages on 22 days--including the first ever Stage 3 emergency, which could have resulted in rationing.
Other reasons cited for the electricity crunch are the state's older, less efficient power plants (55% are more than 30 years old); citizens' unwillingness to tolerate new power plants close to their homes; slackening of electricity conservation efforts; an overtaxed transmission grid; increased power demand in Western states exporting electricity to California; and, yes, inadequate state regulation of wholesalers.
I don't think that how much you want to cajole your argument, deregulation has to be part of the problem.
California regulates carbon dioxide emissions for cars and the auto industry has complied by engineering cars that fit the standards...made a shitload of cash and moved on. Same with gasoline. Why then, should the now private energy companies who want to reap the rewards of doing business in Califonia not do the same?
As an aside, I'd like to know (and not as some sort of challenge that you don't know what your talking about thing) where you are getting the info on the CO2.
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I just hope the folks can stay civil out there during the blackouts - they're an ideal time for marauders and such. And we know how Angelinos love a good excuse to run amok... keep your (insert defensive weapon of choice here) handy.
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My weapon of choice is a bamboo stalk about 1 inch in diameter.... When you hit someone with this it makes a crack like a small pistol shot, and causes much pain...
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Did I say Gun, Jeff? No, I said 'defensive weapon of choice.' This could be a gun, sword, knife, baseball bat, chain, doberman, or spitwad hurler. I said that mainly because I know some people here wouldn't choose a gun, for any reason, but partly because I suspected someone would overreact, and I could then expose them to derision.
so BLEAH! :P
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We appreciate your concern. It is noted and stupid.
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Uhm, guys... the outages were gonna occur here in the Bay Area, not LA.
We Sillycon Valley residents can keep ourselves from rioting at the drop of a breaker.
Either way, we got some power pulled in from out of state which saved our ass from rotating power outs again.
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Did I say Gun, Jeff? No, I said 'defensive weapon of choice.' This could be a gun, sword, knife, baseball bat, chain, doberman, or spitwad hurler. I said that mainly because I know some people here wouldn't choose a gun, for any reason, but partly because I suspected someone would overreact, and I could then expose them to derision.
You said "defensive weapon of choice", which, as you have made very clear, in your case means a gun. Therefore, your defensive weapon of choice is a gun. Therefore, what is it with you and the guns?
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Actually, my defensive weapon of choice, given unlimited resources, would be a Vorlon planet-killer. NOBODY would screw with me then.
My defensive weapon of necessity (so long as the bad guys have them) is a 45 caliber semiauto pistol. Simply because it evens the playing field.
My PREFERRED weapon, actually, is a rather nice dagger that my first serious girlfriend gave to me long ago, hones to razor-sharp perfection and concealed upon my person. Good for slashing, puncturing, or hurling with great accuracy. (Well, good-to-very good accuracy, anyway)
I'm also rather fond of my claymore, my compound bow, and my double-bladed woodcutter's axe.
Mostly my firearms are for target shooting and killing bees and the occasional rabid animal. If I have to use one against a rabid human, I will do so reluctantly, but without hesitation.
But now we've changed the topic... again.
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I just spoke with a patron who inspects power plants for a living.
He says the shortage of new power plants is approaching EXTREME Danger.
Not only are we NOT building new plants, we're closing the old ones, and not even replacing what THEY generated, and we haven't developed any new solutions to the growing need for energy. Some quotes:
"There's talk about tearing up the hydro dams on the Columbia river, to help out the salmon, and I can under stand that, but WHERE are they going to come up with the power to replace what they'll lose?"
"They aren't building any new plants... the [environmentalists] won't let us."
"They've been tearing down the plants in New England, and Canada's exported us just about all the power they can."
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Now are you talking about California Fo2 or all over?
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Jay: in the last, I was talking about all over.
This guy is the father of a little girl who comes into the library a lot, but it's usually with her mom because her dad travels all over the country inspecting power plants. He was only too happy to talk to me about it.
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