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I'm not following the energy crisis as closely as I should, but I can comment on some of the big stuff that's been going on here on Oregon and in Washington.

Washington's state government is playing with fire in my opinion. The governor ordered several industries to shut down because of the shortage of electricity. What they obviously did not take into account is how a few of the industries that were shut down were interdependent on one another. I know that Air Liquide, a manufacturer of liquid nitrogen among other things, has suffered many setbacks when either one or a few of their production plants were shut down, and the reduced supply has made prices for liquid nitrogen skyrocket throughout the northwest.

I can't say when this took place, or if it still is (haven't looked into it much for a few weeks) perhaps someone from Washington can comment in more detail, but here in Oregon the energy crisis has caused a lot of raw material costs to rise drastically, thus causing industrial profits to suffer, bringing on a temptation to raise prices on their products.

This issue needs to be addressed seriously. Not only is this an inconvienance for the northwest, but some action needs to be taken.

Anyways, I'll look into this more after class and make a follow-up post soon. I don't mind being corrected, and I enourage you to correct me if I'm indeed wrong about some of my facts. Nothing worse than being misinformed, or being the moron who spreads the misinformation.

Well, have a good one!

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Just in case anybody was wondering, the deregulation in California is NOT an experiment, although it's being touted by the press as such.

CA is NOT alone in its deregulation. Among other states, Pennsylvania is deregulated, and we're doing just fine, thanks.

The difference? WE'VE built power plants to keep up with demand, and OUR population hasn't doubled in the last 10 years. Oh, and our governor isn't a Marxist.

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Jay the Obscure
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"Oh, and our governor isn't a Marxist"

Now you're just being ridiculous.

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Yeah, the Gov of CA is a Leninist...

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Maoist maybe...

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Ever with the finger on the pulse of the nation, Deer-In-The-Headlights-Elect said:

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The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants.

Good, then it's all figured out.

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Off topic here, I kinda found it amusing that Dubya actually felt he had to spell it out for everybody that, no, Ashcroft does not want to institute slavery ...

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Well, there goes that idea I heard going around that he was going to bring slavery back and have them pedal exorcise bikes with generators on them in CA.

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Also off topic, but Jeff, do you realize that the reason he had to do that was because the Democrats had made it seem like Ashcroft DID want to reinstitute slavery? That party you support is so wonderfully honest.

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Um. No they didn't, Omega.

At worst, they've portrayed him as a racist. A sentiment I don't disagree with, I for one would've preffered Ranicot or just about anyone else than Aschcroft. Oh, yeah, isn't Ashcroft the one who said he was going to leave public life when he lost to the dead guy? I saw his speech on CNN. Something about spending time with family. So much for that.

But the point is, Dubya actually felt that he had to say, "no, Ashcroft doesn't want to re-institute slavery" as if people actually had that idea. Hell, if anyone in power tried it (or even mentioned it being a good idea), we'd have a sudden (violent) change of leadership, IMHO.

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Edited to contain more information:

A racist wouldn't have voted in favor of 26 out of 28 blacks who appeared before his committee for judicial appointments.

This Week, with David Brinkley:

"He has signed a hate crimes bill. He put in a bill putting a five-year prison penalty on anyone who was convicted of a crime with a handgun. He has put a number of black jurists on the bench in Missouri. The first African-American in the history of Western Missouri went on the appeals court there, and he voted for 26 out of 28 of the African-American nominees to the bench in Washington."

As for his statements about leaving 'public life,' another politician I recall said the same thing once, Jeff. Of course, HIS name was George Washington. BEFORE he had been elected President.

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Which shows that they all have lied to the public since the beginning....

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And George W. Bush also said he would fill his term as Governor before running for President. Yes, I know, First, we've heard it quite often. They say one thing, then they do another. Yet again clear evidence that they're all a bunch of liars ...

Anyway, Ashcroft is an extremist. No fuckin' way. You guys didn't get a mandate, you barely got in. You've got Powell and most of the others (except Chavez, but I understand she left of her own), but you ain't getting this Ashcroft guy without a fight. Looking at his track record at a senator, I have a hard time believing that he would support laws that he doesn't agree with, despite what he's been saying.

Ashcroft: NO!!!

(Oh, I want to clarify something: when I said they're all liars, I'm talking about all politicians here, so please don't get your knickers in a twist)

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From what I've seen on the news, we ARE getting Ashcroft without a fight. Not much of one, anyway. They've got, what, ONE black judge they've managed to dig up, who doesn't like Ashcroft, as a witness? (And who's spend half his time on the stand so far defending HIS record?)

Of course, now that the US's premier Black Leftist Leader has put himself temporarily out of commission for his OWN ethical misdeeds (Thanks, Jesse, learn anything ELSE from Bill Clinton?), the opposition is withering away.

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I have a hard time believing that he would support laws that he doesn't agree with

There's a difference between supporting laws and enforcing them. Even you should know that.

Personally, I think you guys're so used to Janet Reno that the concept of an AG that actually enforces the law, regardless of his/her opinion or beliefs, is completely foreign to you.

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