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Ha! The power they infuse within you is much greater than even I can imagine. I respectfully decline confrontation with you, and bless your family.
Good Afternoon, silly man.
------------------ "...screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" - Omega.
Look at it this way. Any extra costs that would be being paid in a rehabilitation plan would be made up in money saved by not incarcerating those same people. I don't know if you saw the numbers earlier in the post, but it costs $20,000 to incacerate someone (per year), and only $4,000 for rehabilitation.
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I see we've abandoned all pretense of civility. Well then.
"And therefore I should have to keep paying taxes to support turd brains who willingly endanger themselves and others?"
What exactly are you on about? Could you explain, if it can be done in our primitive Earther tounge, what these two concepts have to do with each other?
"Tell you what, Sol - you go ahead and pay your hard earned money to your coke toking buddies. I, however, decline."
Oh, I am outed! Yes, in fact I was just this past Friday taking a trip with my tuned out friends to an opium den in the darkest reaches of Myanmar. There we all spent the next several days in a haze, hallucinating sexual encounters with Marilyn Monroe while riding winged hippos of the purest crimson over the hills of San Francisco. How was your weekend?
"Um, I think you just proved the point you were attempting (poorly) to ascribe to me, namely that supply equals drug users. If more antidepressants exist today, and there are more antidepressant users, then by your own reasoning (and by a simple logical extension) expanding the supply of illicit drugs will equal more illicit drug users."
This must be some newer, stupider form of logic.
"The bottom line is that drug use is life abuse."
Oh. My. God.
Just this morning I arose and said to myself, "Self, the one thing I desire more than anything else is some way to encompass problems in an easily remembered rhyming scheme." And now you've done it! I had never ever considered the fact that drugs are bad! But now, you have opened my eyes! The truth is loose! It's drugless fun in 2001!
In other words, consider this a colossal "Duh" being flung across the countryside. Who ever said anything at all about drugs being good or desirable or fun? That has absolutely nothing to do with their legality. If it did, shipping Mariah Carey records across state lines would be a felony.
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Yeah, this thread is more about rehabilitation v incarceration as a "punishment" to drug use, and also reviewing the way the US of A deals with the "drug war", because, frankly, the way we got now sucks. Peace out.
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"Even Hard Liners in the war on drugs like to say that we can no longer incarcerate our way out of the problem" -- Newsweek
Found some interesting facts from Newsweek's current addiction story, including:
Substance abusers who stay in treatment longer are less likely to resume their bad habits.
I'll post more later.
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It's a bit weird that Sol is the one here defending drugs. But whenever the people who live in non-US consitution countries try and argue on drugs, we get poo-pooed for daring to have different ideas that Washington. So I'll shut up.
------------------ "And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!" -Bubbles
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.83 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Forum Member Who Shall Be Nameless. 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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Of course Sol is defending drugs. He encourages, and profits from the sale of the Placebo that is Viagra, and his own special brand "Simon Sizer's Sizing Pills!". Then he laughs at the people purchasing the drug, waves his all-natural staff of manliness around, and pole-vaults away.
------------------ "...screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" - Omega.
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I'm not so sure that irony should really be misconstrued as defense.
------------------ "There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll never see it." ~ George W. Bush, Deer-In-The-Headlights of the United States
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True. Otherwise I'd be defending everything I'd ever said.
But even if you agree with it, the "drug use is life abuse" thing is a laughably simplistic way of looking at the situation.
------------------ "And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!" -Bubbles
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Do drugs. Have a ball. Enjoy yourself in your artificially-induced chemical haze, if it makes you feel better about yourself.
But when you fuck it up, let it be on YOUR head. I shouldn't have to pay for a bad habit that isn't mine.
If I have a heart attack and die at 40 because my arteries are clogged with the fatty residue from too many Hardee's Monster Burgers, that's just too damn bad for me. Don't bring me back, I don't deserve it. It's my own fault. I knew better, but I did it anyway.
Likewise, if you turn yourself into a homeless jobless imbecile from your overindulgence in certain recreational pharmaceuticals, that's just too damn bad for you. Die on the street. You knew better, but you did it anyway. (I just LOVE those new "Whatsizname, Whatsizname on heroin" commercials, BTW.)
And, quite frankly, that goes for alcoholics with cirrhosis and smokers with lung cancer, too.
------------------ "My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
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But you're more than willing to shell out $20k per year for an addict to be tossed in a jail with no hope of kicking the habit ... but rehabilitation, no way? Funny attitude.
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No, I'm saying that I've given up on enforcement and jail, both. I've decided that you should only jail the people who hurt other people while under the influence of drugs, in ADDITION to treating them. Perhaps make evidence of long-term recovery a condition of release from incarceration. Find out how soon people tend to relapse, and make them stay in 'treatment' over that period.
But I believe that the trade-off for this should be to deny all medical treatment to people whose problems are the result of drug use, or the result of an incident stemming from drug use. (For instance, if you take LSD, decide that bugs are under your skin, and stab yourself several times to kill them, that's tough for you. You die, from a terminal case of self-destructiveness. Or, if you drive while smoking pot or drinking, and crash into a bus, killing someone, you go to jail for 1st degree murder - because you knew what you were doing when you started smoking and got behind the wheel -, AND you get 'treatment' (aversion therapy would be good) before you get out.)
------------------ "My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
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Explain to me how a civilized society can allow its citizens to do such things to themselves when that society has the opportunity to help them? Letting them bleed to death and refusing to treat them is murder, by both law and the rule of decency.
This country does have a drug problem, but letting drug addicts kill themselves or others isn't going to solve the problem.
"Gee, my engine is making funny noises. Maybe if I leave it alone it'll go away."
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