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An automatically re-locking trigger lock built into every gun is a HORRIBLE idea. You'll kill a lot of police officers AND armed civilian home defenders that way, especially in the couple hundred years before the NON-locked guns disappear from the streets.
Picture it... the bad guy breaks in. You get your gun, unlock it... and wait, because you don't really WANT to go up against an intruder if you don't have to. The gun locks again. and JUST after it locks is the moment the thug, armed with his NON-locking gun, enters the room.
Several hours later, they find your body, with your still-locked gun lying under you.
Jeff, you like to use the word 'paranoid' a lot.. as if bad things never happen in this country that involve the federal government's direct involvement.
There's a large number of Native Americans that might disagree with you. And a large number of Japanese-Americans, for that matter. And the families of a few dead people who were previously residents of a commune in Texas.
------------------ The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
quote:An automatically re-locking trigger lock built into every gun is a HORRIBLE idea. You'll kill a lot of police officers AND armed civilian home defenders that way, especially in the couple hundred years before the NON-locked guns disappear from the streets.
Why would police officers be dying?
quote:You get your gun, unlock it... and wait, because you don't really WANT to go up against an intruder if you don't have to. The gun locks again. and JUST after it locks is the moment the thug, armed with his NON-locking gun, enters the room.
If you'd read my post, you'd see that the lock mechanism would be triggered by the release of the grip. If there was an intruder in your home, why would someone put their gun down? Your reasoning is faulty.
quote:Several hours later, they find your body, with your still-locked gun lying under you.
If there was an intruder in your home, why'd you let go of the grip thus triggering the re-locking of the mechanism?
quote:Jeff, you like to use the word 'paranoid' a lot.. as if bad things never happen in this country that involve the federal government's direct involvement.
This from the person who thinks there's a massive liberal elite movement in Hollywood.
quote:There's a large number of Native Americans that might disagree with you. And a large number of Japanese-Americans, for that matter. And the families of a few dead people who were previously residents of a commune in Texas.
Most of that is thankfully far behind us. As for the commune, as sad as that is, perhaps people will stop resisting agents with warrants next time? A lot of people died on both sides.
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I might point out, that as you might wail about gun locks, mandatory trigger-locks built in to the gun are required off all manufacturers wishing to sell a handgun in Maryland beginning in 2003, I believe. And once they start sellin' em here, they'll start selling them everywhere, and soon, you won't be able to get a handgun without a built in trigger-lock. So, you might as well get used to the idea
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No! I'm going to sit here and use Vinyl records, just like I always have. They sound so much better.
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As for the commune, as sad as that is, perhaps people will stop resisting agents with warrants next time?
And perhaps federal officers will actually their presence and intentions, and simply REQUEST entry. They were INVITED into the compound, you know. They decided to start a firefight instead.
A lot of people died on both sides.
Yes, all thanks to the stupidity and thick-headedness of the government officers in charge.
And once they start sellin' em here, they'll start selling them everywhere, and soon, you won't be able to get a handgun without a built in trigger-lock.
Do you know ANYTHING about economics? They'll keep making guns without trigger locks so long as there's demand for them, and it's cost-effective. One state isn't going to change that. In fact, if the cost of production was that different, they'd be more likely to just stop selling guns in Maryland at all.
Also, what's to prevent someone from driving to Virginia and buying a real gun, then taking it home?
------------------ "Omega is right." -Jeff Karrde, March 18, 2001 08:47 PM
quote:And perhaps federal officers will actually their presence and intentions, and simply REQUEST entry. They were INVITED into the compound, you know. They decided to start a firefight instead.
Erm. I think you left out a word up there, buddy-boy. And you got a reliable source for that invited crap you talk of? Didn't think so.
quote:Yes, all thanks to the stupidity and thick-headedness of the government officers in charge.
Not to mention the stupidity and thick-headedness of the religious wackos inside the compound.
quote:Do you know ANYTHING about economics? They'll keep making guns without trigger locks so long as there's demand for them, and it's cost-effective. One state isn't going to change that. In fact, if the cost of production was that different, they'd be more likely to just stop selling guns in Maryland at all.
Fantastic! Maryland'll be a much safer place then. Of course, if it turns out not to cost too much more to fit a gun with a trigger-lock, the guns without built in locks may soon dissapear quite quickly. You seem to be avoiding reality, Omega: guns with built in trigger-locks are coming, and all you're doing is bitchin' about economics.
quote:Also, what's to prevent someone from driving to Virginia and buying a real gun, then taking it home?
Guns with built in trigger-locks are toy guns, would be what you're saying here then? Wow. You make me laugh
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quote:I can't beleive all of this started because of little ol' me
Any thread about guns, or shootings, etcetra, usually produces this argument.
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Seeing as how the original post was related to Guns, a discussion about guns is a seemingly logical progression, regardless of your input.
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You know, this was on the last page, and for some odd reason, it suddenly jumped to mind that, hey, hey, you're wrong here, too, and I may as well jump on it.
One word for ya'. It also actually happens to be the third word of the Second Ammendment. Regulated. Gives the government the power to regulate the "militia" -- as modern interpretation of the 2nd Ammendment says that anyone capable of owning a gun is a "militia" member, the government thus has the right to regulate.
Are you and I reading from the same Constitution?
"A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
You say that this gives the government the power to regulate the militia. Does anyone see anything here conveying the right to the government to do so? You seem to think that everything before the comma is a qualification, Karrde. It's not. As the English-speakers among us can tell you, it's an explaination. The actual law is that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The rest is just why the writers thought that necessary. Learn the language, man. Words mean things.
------------------ "Omega is right." -Jeff Karrde, March 18, 2001 08:47 PM
The Federalist Papers aren't law, doofus. They also were written well over two-hundred years ago. I think it's safe to say that what the Founding Fathers may or may not have intended doesn't really apply anymore. That's why they had the foresight of vision to set up the Supreme Court, which rules on what is or is not Constitutional. It's also why we've got the ability to "ammend" the Constitution. Because they knew that if the USA lasted for any length of time, the peoples of coming generations would need to make laws for themselves and not rely on what some people thought men dead over two hundred years "intended."
quote:"A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
::Sigh::
What does this law say? Well, that citizens of the US have a right to keep and bear arms. And yet, why can't criminals own firearms, Omega? The 2nd Ammendment says nothing about taking it away from them, does it? Well, yes, it does. That word: regulated allows the local, state, and Federal governments to make laws pertaining to gun ownership. Honestly.
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