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Well, either the pic is mislabled or that really is the secondary hull. If that's going to be a 4ft model, that would make it off-scale, regardless. Imagine, if that were the "deck 2/3 tower" this would put that model somewhere close to the 11ft studio model of the TOS 'E'. Of course, if that's the secondary hull, that would put the model closer to 7ft, which is what the Refit 'E' studio model was, IIRC.
:shrug: I'd say it's mislabeled for the length of the model, regardless.
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Wow. That captain's chair is something else. Looks like the kind of chair Austin Powers would have in his swinger's bedroom. Hmm... I guess that be perfect for Kirk, though.
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I've heard in most places that the refit Enterprise model was 9 feet long.
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i dont have any documentation to back this up, except my own eyes.. The Smithsonian, 1992... i saw both the original Enterprise and the movie Enterprise hanging next to each other and the movie version was definitely a couple feet shorter..
BTW, the first Phase II model wasnt made into the movie E i dont think.. i believe it was left in its half finished state once work stopped.. i think there were far too many structural differences for it to be made the movie model, aside from the fact that the movie model was more elaborately constructed..
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: actually i think thats the deck 2/3 tower.. ive seen pictures of the unused model that were a much larger construct..
No, it's not the deck 2-3 bit. It's the portside half of the secondary hull. You can see the cutout under the hangar deck to the lower right of his hands. I have the original page here and I can see it plainly. As to the size, the Phase II model has been in several places described as being about 4 feet long, and the size secondary hull shown in that pic would fit a model of that scale. It was built by Don Loos of Brick Price Movie Miniatures.
The TMP Enterprise model was built to replace Don Loos' model when the Phase II became TMP. It was built by Magicam, and is about 7 feet long.
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i'm a little confused, cuz ive seen other pics of the unfinished ent phase2 and it seems to be much longer than youre describing.. i think that photo is in error or hes building a different model than the one were thinking of
So now we have first pilot version, second pilot version, production version, model kit version, phase II version, pre-TMP version, TMP version, aaand "Booby Trap" version.
Did I missed any?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: i'm a little confused, cuz ive seen other pics of the unfinished ent phase2 and it seems to be much longer than youre describing.. i think that photo is in error or hes building a different model than the one were thinking of
I've seen those pix, and you can't make any meaningful determinations of scale from it because there are no objects close to the model.
As to that hull being off-scale for a four footer, that's not true. If ol Don Loos forearm is ye olde average cubit long (about 18 inches), based on that pic that hull would be about 21-24 inches long, which would be consistent with a model of slightly over foot in length.
Pages 70-71 of The Phase II book contains other pictures of the Phase II model and the drydock for it, and to my eye that dock looks about six feet long and about three to four feet wide. This is based upon a human figure in one of the pictures, and the hexagoal lighting units on each side of the dock, two of which were reused in the TMP drydock (on arms). These provide a very clear scale reference for both models and confirm that the Phase II model was smaller than the seven foot TMP one. In fact, the Phase II dock is about five of these lighting units high, and the TMP dock is more than seven, again pointing to the Phase II model being smaller.
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Oh, and then there's the Brick Price 22 incher, which appears have to have built for Phase II and modified for use in TMP (for long shots). I have a video which shows that model pretty well...I'll do some captures from it if I can.
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Yup, it�s different alright. I posted it on my page a long time ago, actually..
Checkout my Constitution-refit page, ok?
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that is a desk behind the model.. those are desk drawers.. this model is a lot bigger than four feet methinks..
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I don't really see why. The "table" on which the model rests could be much higher from the floor than the desk on the background, and the model not that much different in size from the one on the far background.
What items rest on the foreground "table", at the right end? An ashtray or pen holder? Two cigarettes, pens, matches?
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