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Originally posted by Harry:
Hmm.. a thought just occured to me.. Could it be that the "Klingon Neutral Zone" is merely the zone in which the Organian supernatural powers work? That would explain the spheroid shape..

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Uh, wasn't the US/Canada border actually forged in bitter war?

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Originally posted by Cartman:
"Unless K-7 was some kind of Federation built and run but internationally open station located in neutral territory perhaps?"

The Federation has no B5-style bases in operation. It's just not done. B)

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Originally posted by Cartman:
"Unless K-7 was some kind of Federation built and run but internationally open station located in neutral territory perhaps?"

The Federation has no B5-style bases in operation. It's just not done. B)

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C'mon, you know you want to see some Federation Star Fury's kick ass.

Straczinsky would argue that DS9 was just the B5 of Trek but I digress.

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Originally posted by Ritten:
and now the damned Canadians cross the border with impunity....

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Originally posted by Timo:
Uh, wasn't the US/Canada border actually forged in bitter war? A similar straight-line solution was created for Korea, because negotiating the minutiae of a more complex border was doomed to fail.

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Sorry, I should've been more specific. I was referring only to the part of the border from the Great Lakes westward. Wraith is right -- and I did know that the US made three separate attempts to invade Canada during the War of 1812, and each of them got screwed up (usually because the accompanying state militias refused to cross the border).

However, the establishment of the rest of the border wasn't quite as cozy as I was thinking, either. I completely forgot that there were questions about the ownership of the Oregon Country, which included today's states of Washington, Oregon, and parts of Idaho, as well as the entire southern half of British Columbia. Anyone remember the old slogan, "54-40 or fight!" from their grade school history? (Referring to the line of latitude, 54� 40", IIRC. Come to think of it, I don't know why *I* remember that silly slogan from grade school....) Anyway, I vaguely recall reading something about the fact that the US might have picked a fight with Britain and Canada over northern territories if they hadn't attacked Mexico first instead. They only settled the dispute with Britain after they were already fighting Mexico over Texas.

(Gee... launching a preemptive invasion of another country on a very flimsy cause... who'd have thought the US was ever capable of such a thing? )

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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
In the "Trouble with Tribbles" they just let a D-7 sidle on up next to the K-7 station and no questions were ever raised about them being in Federation space. Unless K-7 was some kind of Federation built and run but internationally open station located in neutral territory perhaps?

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As Harry said, yes, it was the Organian Peace Treaty which guaranteed each side the right to use the other's shore leave facilities. However, I got the impression that DSS K-7 was located in interstellar space, not inside a star system. It could still be that the Klingons were prevented from approaching a Federation star system. Consider that with the extreme tensions, both the Feds and the Klingons would've probably filled in every part along the border with monitoring outposts, automated buoys, and marshaling stations to preserve their tactical advantage against the other side's forces, and to give them prime defensive spots or offensive jump-off points.

For example, the Feds might choose one spot to put up a defensive station because it's smack between a large Klingon colony and one of their own planets, while the Klingons would choose another station nearby because it could serve as a launching point for attacks that are within range of two or three Federation colonies, and so on... Ultimately, you'd get a border that looks just as jagged as the one on Nechayev's map in "Journey's End"!

(Oh, and Timo? The straight line in Korea was actually drawn in 1945 when the US and USSR were deciding which zones of Japanese territory to occupy. So it was originally straight, and then got jagged because the Korean War is still going on today. )

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Anyway, I vaguely recall reading something about the fact that the US might have picked a fight with Britain and Canada over northern territories if they hadn't attacked Mexico first instead. They only settled the dispute with Britain after they were already fighting Mexico over Texas.

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Originally posted by Ritten:
and now the damned Canadians cross the border with impunity....

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Unless they are married gay people - our crack anti-terror squads catch them before they can do anything to our trains with men on them. CIA knows all about their weapons of mass man-trains.

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