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I wonder how many good flag officers there were... I think that Commodore Mendez guy was pretty level-headed. Along with Commodore Stone. And Fleet Admiral Shanthi.
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Assuming the 7th Fleet was commanded by the same Admiral throughout the Dominion War: ok first he lets 95% of his Fleet get wasted, then he gets caught flat-footed when the Dominion moved on Betazed. By god, I hope it was not the same guy.
Who was that Admiral that had Eddington sabatoge a the Defiant? That seemed rather un-Starfleet.
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I guess we should also point out that all (I think) of the corrupt flag officers we've seen in Starfleet have been humans. Not very reassuring for our species, huh? However, I can think of two admirals that seemed to be highly respected and above corruption: Bill, the C-in-C from The Undiscovered Country, and Nogura, from The Motion Picture. Of course, I gleen most of this from the novelizations of those movies.
In real life, there's a perfectly acceptable explanation for the high occurence of corrupt admirals: it doesn't move a story as much to have an admiral appear in a manner that doesn't quite advance the plot. Corruption and mystery stories are usually good, and we have those playing out in "Conspiracy," "Ensign Ro," The Undiscovered Country, and others. The other times we've seen an admiral is to inform us the viewers of plot points as in "Chains of Command" or some of the Dominion War briefings in Deep Space Nine.
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Also, some admirals were shown to be highly supportive of our heroes. Shanthi from "Redemption" was later considered to be the gal Picard could rely to sort out the "Pegasus" mess. And the black guy from "The Defector" et al, whose name I forget, seemed to be a nice guy, too, in the drill sergeant sense of the word. Picard wouldn't take that toughie-talk from a man he didn't respect.
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Admiral Chekotay who appeared on a few occations in the early eps of DS9 seemed to be a good guy. Even though he did order Sisko to abandon the station in the "Homecoming" Trilogy.
I think it was Toddman or Toddwell or something that ordered Eddington to sabotage the Defiant.
And we did see a Bolian Admiral involved in Admiral Leyton's conspiracy on Earth during "Paradise Lost", I think.
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Of course, the problem with putting Ross into this catagory is that all the crazy mad admirals who wanted the Federation to be filled with potatoes had something Ross didn't. Let's call it "a personality".
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Exploring outside of filmed canon into the world of comics and novels reveals many more cases of this Vice-Admiral Rittenhouse tried to use his new dreadnought compined with careful political appointments to take control of the quadrant ('Dreadnought!').
Admiral Mendez (Commodores brother) was involved with biowarfare experiments and killed good Admiral Waverleigh to keep his vampires secret ('Bloodthirst').
The Commodore in 'Traitor Winds' killed Mark Piper to keep some klingon disruptor shit secret, but was luckily outranked by recently admiralized Jim Kirk
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Yeah. For some weird reason, fanfic has taken a liking to killing him in myriads of imaginative ways in order to make room for McCoy...
And oddly enough, fanfic (at least the male-written kind, over at alt.startrek.creative) typically portrays Admirals as likeable fellows with whom Kirk is on good terms, even if there's some politicking going on in the higher echelons. Shades of the kind of alter-ego writing that made "Commodore Wesley" a supportive senior friend of Kirk's?
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I think I'm missing something. How was there "alter-ego" writing with Commodore Wesley? Was he a friend of the writer, or am I missing something hugely obvious?
Besides, he wasn't much of a friend. He made a nasty joke to Kirk that made him walk off the bridge crying. Bad man. Just because he had a big chair.
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Well, an older fatherly figure who's as smart as the hero is a typical "Marty Sue" for male writers, and Eugene Wesley Roddenberry would definitely have appreciated the good Commodore. Roddenberry had plenty of characters named Wesley in his various shows, filmed or flopped, and people writing these highly analytical books about Trek tend to see at least the Commodore and the little Crusher kid as GR alter egos of sorts.
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