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Actually, I'd heard about the Wesley Crusher alter-ego bit, but I'd completely missed the clue in Commodore Wesley's name. Silly me.
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Damn you and your cruel punishment Jeff! I'd better watch myself, or you'll be forcing me to watch porn next.
Regarding Nechayev. She was called a Fleet Admiral in (I believe) Journey's End. When Picard made her tea. Her pips though never changed. Whenever she appeared in TNG or DS9, she had three pips in a bar (And that includes The Search Part 2, which would be her last appearence in Trek, I believe. Although that was all in the crew's mind anway. But even in just TNG, she never changed rank insignia).
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Maybe Fleet Admiral wasn't a rank but a position.
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Or her promotion had been on the most recently-announced list & Picard was congratulating her on it, but she still wore the 3-pip box of Admiral becasue the new rank hadn't taken effect yet.
Pictures of Fleet Admiral Shanthi's neck, anyone?
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Except Nechayev was again referred to as "Fleet Admiral" in The Search Part II, and possibly also in "The Maquis" and in both cases again wore three pips. The implication in both those circumstances plus "Journey's End" was that she was the Starfleet admiral responsible for coordination all activity in the Cardassia region.
Shanthi wore three, as did Admiral Nakamura (who I have a vague recollection of being referred to as Fleet Admiral in one of his appearances)
My thinking is that Fleet Admiral may indeed have morphed over two hundreds years of history from a rank to a position of sorts that would be the equivalent of "supreme commander of the Pacific fleet" in the US Navy (or whatever the technical term is). Thusly, Vice Admiral Shanthi was in fact assigned as Fleet Admiral for operations along the Klingon border and environs, and Vice Admiral Nechayev was asigned as Fleet Admiral for operations along the Cardassian border and environs. Indeed, you could even extend the logic and say that at some undisclosed time, Vice Admiral Ross who took over Nechayev's position as Fleet Admiral for the Cardassian border (though he was never referred to as such) and was therefore the Starfleet commander-in-chief on that whole front of the war despite being a fairly typical Admiral sort.
The "real world" explanation is that it seems that the costuming department has drawerfuls of three-dot admirals pips and only a few doubles and quads. I mean, honestly, how many four-pippers have we seen? Admiral Riker in AGT... and, well, um...
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In "Gamma Quadrant", I theorized that the top ten admirals in Starfleet held the rank of Fleet Admiral, and oversaw various operations of Starfleet. Of these, a sumpreme commander was chosen by the Federation Council -- on a 2-year term -- to outrank his/her/it's fellow Fleet Admirals.
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I always thought that the position of Fleet Admiral came with a Fleet.
The Federation is hundreds of light year across, maybe Nechayev's new pips never quite caught up to her. Speak volumes for Starfleet bureaucracy and postal service, wouldn't you say?
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quote:The "real world" explanation is that it seems that the costuming department has drawerfuls of three-dot admirals pips and only a few doubles and quads. I mean, honestly, how many four-pippers have we seen? Admiral Riker in AGT... and, well, um...
The first Rear Admiral we ever see wears four pips (Dr. Bashir I Presume).
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I believe the United States Navy has itself phased out the rank of Fleet Admiral.
I once heard that the only reason the United States military ha-s/-ad five star ranks is so the highest ranking American military officers would not be "outranked" by European Field Marshals, which were worked out to be a "five star" rank, which, at the time, we did not have. Anyone else heard this?
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