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Based on Admiral Pressman, it would seem we finally get some semblance of the "Admiralty" rank system by the end of "The Next Generation. Fortunately "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" revert to the "every admiral is a 'three-pip' admiral" system.
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I heard that 'five star' flag officers only exist in times of war.. not sure if thats right
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The first appearance of a rear admiral was Kirk in TMP-TVH. The first rear admiral in TNG was Brand IIRC.
I think we saw 4 admirals with 4 pips (Riker, Bennett, T'Lara, Paris). Paris had 3 pips in VOY Persistence of Vision, 4 pips in VOY Pathfinder, and again 3 pips in VOY Inside Man.
Admirals with the rank of Fleet Admiral only appeared in the movies (eg. Morrow, Cartwright, Bennett, "Bill").
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Owen Paris was demoted? Maybe the Pathfinder incident with Reg Barcley did it.
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Or then the Starfleet Laundry Division belatedly realized that this was the OTHER Adm. Owen Paris, not the one we saw in the second season, and that they had been sending him the wrong pips for the past weeks. Perhaps the earlier-seen Adm. Owen Paris had been promoted to a four-pipper, unlike the later-season one, and SFLD had not looked at the picture accompanying the promotion notification?
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Or Starfleet Laundry mistook the second-season Admiral Paris for Admiral Marcus Holt from 'Interface' because they were played by the same actor
Morrow in TSFS and 'Bill' (called Bill Smillie in the novel of TUC) were clearly identified as the commanders-in-chief of Starfleet. Bennett in TFF seems to have been a pop up on the viewscreen admiral, not the c-in-c, and i would question if Cartwright was c-in-c in TVH, unless he had relinquished to position 'Bill' in TUC. They were all the 'fleet admiral' rank though, but i doubt they all held that position.. unless it has a term limit and you go back to regular fleet admiralcy after a while.
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Quote: Except Nechayev was again referred to as "Fleet Admiral" in The Search Part II, and possibly also in "The Maquis" and in both cases again wore three pips.
What a lot of people may not realize is that there is a lot more to the uniforms than what we see. I believe Nechayev was wearing the Starfleet issue Fleet Admiral's pleather bustier (with the requisite four pips) beneath the uniform .
Kind of lends a whole new meaning to Vice Admiral, huh?
Oh, just be glad I didn't put up the pic of Adm. Paris in same...
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I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight after seeing that picture.
Of course, I always did think she was kinda hot.
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quote:The first appearance of a rear admiral was Kirk in TMP-TVH. The first rear admiral in TNG was Brand IIRC.
Because of the inconsistant usage of flag ranks (pips, stripes, and thingamabobs), I was using the actual onscreen verbal identfication of a Rear Admiral as my criteria for the first appearance. I know that Kirk was not stated to be a Rear Admiral. Was Brand?
quote: Erik Pressman wore two-pippers in "The Pegasus" and was referred to as "Rear Admiral."
I remembered that he was a two pipper, I had not caught that he was called an Admiral's Rear though.
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Fleet Admirals are canon but their five pip insignias are not.
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