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They had a similar structured bay in Away Team (aboard the USS Leyte Gulf, Akira class). Basically, you have a front part where you place one shuttle, and an aft part which is the storage space. There's that large wall that seperates the two areas, but the wall is as wide as the bay doors. You can pass the wall on either side of it. Don't know where's the sense behind it, but I didn't design it. On the other hand, it looks as if there are two elevator platforms. And what is left and right of the bay door? another two doors? For what purpose?
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I like the jeep. One can't always flit about in antigrav hoppers, after all. Besides, why waste the power/fuel to fly around when driving works? It's like saying "Well, the US Army has helicopters, so why do we use jeeps?"
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Well why go to all the trouble of carting the jeep down from orbit when you can just use a shuttle?
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Ryan sadly does not post here often enough for me to separate sincerity from sneaky cleverness in that comment.
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the observation bay of the shuttlebay image is minature photo's of sets imposed on the cgi model. dont ask me how they do it but it was in the uk star trek magazine once about when it first happened on voyager. unfortunately that shot seems to show the warp core(!).
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I know a little bit late, but here is the front view of the ARGO shuttle craft: I hope its accurate enough.
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I wonder how the crew is supposed to get in. This is another of those poorly thought out Eaves designs - the only door out seems to be the one that's blocked by the jeep most of the time.
The jeep itself is a study of wasted space. Let's assume that the engine really needs to be as massive as the lump between the front wheels is. That still is no excuse for having that much chassis in front of the front axle, or aft of the aft axle. Those parts of the vehicle serve no purpose, except consuming space aboard the shuttle.
The vehicle also offers only about half the cabin size it could, and gives minimal protection against elements or aggression. Why give it any walls at all when it lacks a windshield and a roof? And why the high thresholds on the doors when the structure as a whole obviously is not waterproof up to that height? They simply hinder access to the cabin. And the gun mount seems to prevent the loading of cargo to the aft section.
The Final Fantasy vehicle is a far better design for a barebones dune buggy. I'd think Starfleet would opt for a much more enclosed vehicle, however. And one with transformer-like fold-out features (done in CGI, after which a non-folding real vehicle would be substituted). That would not only have been more functional - most importantly, it would have looked better.
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Another oddity. The Argo has no registry of her own. This seems to be true, also, of the shuttle seen in "Insurrections". Why the change in tradition? Since the first series, the shuttles have had registries (ex. Galileo NCC-1701/07 ). In the last two, there has been no registries, aside from the mother's ship registry. Does this make sense?
Yet another oddity. Where does the Argo store her engineering components? If you take into consideration the space needed for a 20th century-type jeep and the cockpit, there would appear to be no room for the life support equipment and many of the engineering components needed to fly this ship. Is this an extreme example of making every component very small?
Timo,
I agree with your opinion on the design of the ship and the egress/regress hatches on this shuttle. I was thinking that they would place a hatch on the top; however, considering the nature of the shuttle, this would seem impossible. Why? The hull doesn't look climbable and there are no ladders leading to the top of the shuttle.
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Well, I don't really see any critical organizational difference between having a shuttle with "Galileo USS Enterprise 1701/7" (TOS-style) on the side versus "Galileo USS Enterprise Shuttlecraft 7 1701" (TNG-style).
Argo's presumed filed as an auxilliary craft of 1701-E and probably has an internal Enterprise number, like, say, 15 or something. So they could paint NCC-1701-E/15 on the side if they wished to, only they haven't tended to do it that since TOS.
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quote:Originally posted by newark: Where does the Argo store her engineering components? If you take into consideration the space needed for a 20th century-type jeep and the cockpit, there would appear to be no room for the life support equipment and many of the engineering components needed to fly this ship. Is this an extreme example of making every component very small?
This is actually old hat. The Type-6 shuttle is another example of a craft that's basically thin walls and lots of stretching room.
Though I might've preferred a bit more obvious tech-room, in a fashion akin to the back room of the 1701 Galileo, I'll always have a soft spot for the Starfleet-clean look in designs, like you'll find in Probert and Sternbach designs, and parrotted elsewhere.
Then there's Eaves. (shudders)
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Actually, the Argo is a *gigantic* piece of sh^H^H equipment. Compare it to the size of a person in the promo shots of the jeep leaping into it. Lobo's front view shows that the cabin could be quite narrow, with all the required machinery flanking the forward part of the habitable volume.
The interior set for that shuttle (if any is seen) will probably not be much bigger than the cabin of a type 6 or a runabout. Unless they reuse the VOY type 12 shuttle, it'd have to be a scratchbuilt set, more or less, and they won't bother to build a big one. So plenty of space for equipment outside the cabin.
It's just that the said equipment prevents access to the cabin, except through the stern... Just like in the "Insurrection" shuttle.
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: That's good work, Lobo, as always.
It's interesting to see this type of setup where the shuttle carries a all-terrain vehicle. It kinda gives some reinforcement to all the shuttle designs The Animated Series used (like the shuttle boat).
In the Animated Series there was a shuttle called the aquashuttle used by the crew on worlds covered mostly in water or some liquid. Ironically, the name of the planet that they visited is called "Argo". They also used a Starfleet raft to explore the surface of the planet.
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