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For your info, the number 1,000 I picked out of my ass. However I said the capability to build 1,000 in 15 years or so years. Granted that's alot per year. But if we consider that (based on WWII demographics) UFP during the time of war, did some sort of drafting, their entire organization could be in the billions. However it's likely more of a non-drafted type, so it would be around in the tens of millions. Starfleet has the capability assuming that all starbases, space docks, or even build new ones (which shouldn't be too hard considering they are just made of some sort of mesh) within 15 years. I mean yuo first build up like 300 docks, put all Galaxy class ships in each one, maybe use some sort of mass production line for the smaller parts, assuming it takes about 5 years for each ship, Starfleet could have about 900 ships in 15 years.
I do not doubt the concept that Galaxy class ships have been destroyed. We see a very small part of some of the battles that could have happened during the war. At least one Galaxy class could have been lost in any of those unseen battles.
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i'm going to go with 'um, no'
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There doesn't seem to be any clear trend as to which ships blow up and which don't in a battle. The VFX guys did some nice Miranda, Akira and Excelsior deaths, but that was mainly because those three models were the most detailed. Other ship types in those size ranges were saved from destruction because they didn't look so cool!
So ship size isn't a clear survival trait. Design age isn't a clear survival trait. Heck, even having heroes aboard isn't necessarily a survival trait any more, since we did lose the Defiant once.
All we have going for the Galaxies is the hint that one of them took a hit in "TotP" and didn't explode right away, contrary to what happened to the assorted Akiras and Excelsiors with first hits. Was that just because the Galaxy was bigger and could carry bigger shield generators? Would the same advantages apply to Nebulas? Why not to Akiras (do their supposedly cavernous shuttlebays perhaps reduce their structural strength or their size/number of shield generators?)?
quote:At full phaser power, the saucer section runs out of juice for its phasers in less than 15 minutes. In normal operation, the endurance for phaser jumps to around 45 minutes. Really big difference.
Take a drink everytime someone posts information from the tech manual as cannonical fact.
quote: The VFX guys did some nice Miranda, Akira and Excelsior deaths, but that was mainly because those three models were the most detailed.
I'm not arguing here, but isn't that also pretty much what 90% of the fleets were made up of? Pretty much the only other ships seen were Galaxies and the odd Steamrunner, correct.
For that matter, why were those ships the most detailed? During the days of TNG, it was because the Excelsior and Miranda were movie ships (and therefore high quality) but by the time of the big fleet battles of DS9 they were using CGI for the fight scenes. Did they just put more effort into the Miranda and Excelsior?
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quote:Originally posted by Timo: All we have going for the Galaxies is the hint that one of them took a hit in "TotP" and didn't explode right away, contrary to what happened to the assorted Akiras and Excelsiors with first hits. Was that just because the Galaxy was bigger and could carry bigger shield generators? Would the same advantages apply to Nebulas? Why not to Akiras (do their supposedly cavernous shuttlebays perhaps reduce their structural strength or their size/number of shield generators?)?
I don't even think the Nebula has as many shield generators as the Galaxy to begin with. The Nebula's a lot more compact, and doesn't have saucer separation, so she could make do with much few generators. I don't know about the Akira, she is quite a big smaller than a Galaxy. As for taking damage, I'd say the Galaxy, shielding aside, simply has more non-critical volume and mass to soak up damage. And the Galaxy in "TotP" actually took two hits. When you shoot up a Miranda, Excelsior, or Akira, you're a lot more liable to hit something important with your first shot, because of their smaller size.
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It's not as bad as Omega thinking I come from "Brittain" though...
[i'm probly gonna get shot, especially after making that 'the return of kirk' theory over on the ENT board....]
at least he didnt say "brattain"
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A Miranda was seen taking many many hits by the owp, [this thing was getting riddled!] but it didn't blow up or at least not onscreen.
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We also saw the excellent skills of the USS Hood's helmsman as the Excelsior-class ship kept up with the fast pace of the Defiant and her other Miranda escort. Despite the trend to ridicule these old classes, they should be given a lot more credit. Anyone else agree?
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