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Fabrux
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Didn't the B-52 start life with propeller engines and later got upgraded with jet engines?

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I don't think so, I think you might be thinking of the B-47. Not sure though.
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I'm almost certain that the B-52 has always had jet engines. I don't think props would work very well for an aircraft of that size, range and payload.

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I know ST is supposed to be so egalitarian and all, but I suspect the justification is very similar to the shows' producers reason in reality; namely a largely economic one. Even with replicator-tech, these ships would be exorbitantly expensive to construct. (Labor and facilities intensive) I'm certain it would cost far more to lay a new keel and construct a brand new ship than it would to take an older one (and perhaps its crew) and upgrade. If you're looking for fleet support it wouldn't make sense to mothball a perfectly good starship simply because the new hotness can run circles around it. So maybe they have a bunch of perfectly good Mirandas and Excelsiors knocking around and maybe a Dr. Carol Marcus hell-bent on a new research mission convices them to restore an old hull which they weren't even using really to do her thing. So maybe some older ships come out with later registries than you'd expect. Not even Kirk could say no to Bibi.

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The B-52 and the B-47 were both built as all-jet bombers from the very beginning. Their immediate predecessor, the gargantuanohumungous B-36, had some jets added when the six twin pusher props weren't considered enough, but she didn't go all-jet.

She was one of the aircraft considered for nuclear propulsion, though - a B-36 actually flew with an active fission reactor aboard, whereas the C-5 Galaxies merely had a space reserved for a reactor. Would have made things easier for the Osamas of this world - no need to target a nuclear plant with a big jet, when you have both in the same package.

The added impulse glow on the Mirandas and the Galaxies in DS9 is probably comparable to the auxiliary jets installed on the B-36, B-50, C-117 and whatnot - a minimal-cost performance-increasing measure to make ships better compatible with each other and with the latest threat speeds. The ships need not have been otherwise altered.

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I disbelieve that those were impulse engines on those Mirandas.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sol System:
I disbelieve that those were impulse engines on those Mirandas.

Can I ask why?
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Possibly for the same reasons that I do. They are almost certainly an SFX goof. And goofs != canon.

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Timo
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Umm... Why not? TOS still remains canon, AFAIK.

I hate to waste good opportunities just because somebody may not quite have "intended" something. If we see a starship hanging from a wire, then surely the ship has deployed a long-range wire antenna. If a phaser beam fires anywhere but the direction the actor is pointing the prop at, then this is clear evidence of an automated targeting system of some sort. And if an ages-old ship type suddenly sports extra engines...

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quote:
Originally posted by Timo:
Umm... Why not? TOS still remains canon, AFAIK.


I didn't say TOS. I said effects goofs.

I mean, do you really think that the crew continuosly modified the design of the original Enterprise every single episode?

Kirk: I want vents on the nacelles.

*crew changed*

Kirk: No, wait, sperical projections!

*crew changed*

Kirk: No, wait, vents again!

Kor: I will kill you.

Kirk: Just a second Kor. I want to change the size of our navigational deflector first.

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Timo
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Actually, that sounds fine with me.

Redshirt #1 down in engineering:

"Plasma reaching purge limit again."

Redshirt #2:

"Don't bother *me* with it. Ya do know what ya supposed to do?"

Redshirt #1:

"Sure. Retracting spherical plasma diffuser, exposing vent plate. Venting. Redeploying SPD."

Redshirt #2:

"I said don't bother me with it. Can't think w'out moving ya lips, man?"

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i also theorize the nacelles had some type of moving part apparatus depending on what kind of power situation they were in.. is as good an explanation as any, i guess
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quote:
Can I ask why?
1.) The rollbar strikes me as a singularly bad place to put a big impulse engine.

2.) Rear torpedo coverage is a good thing, more good than whatever benefits I can imagine from swapping them out in favor of an engine. (And why not just upgrade the existing one?)

3.) The notion just doesn't sit well with my sense of aesthetics. It is unpretty.

And about the glow? Well, it wouldn't be the first torpedo launcher we've seen that glows during its pre-firing activities. Nor would it be the first time that a visual effects crew has lit a starship oddly.

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