quote:Originally posted by Reverend: He did, but it's unlikely that a shuttle could have made it all the way from Klingon space to DS9 in anything less than a few months.
More unlikely than, let's say, getting from Earth to Qo'nos in 4 days? No, just kidding. I'm fine with the RO/RO theory.
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Sounds like an interesting idea - if we assume that there are enough shuttles without the capability of deep-space-travel. But from what we saw over the years even ships like the Yridian vessel/Nenebek or the Ferengi shuttle - both not larger than the average Type 6 - and even Geordi's shuttlepod (OK, shut up, let's forget that one ) are able to travel at long distances. Don't get me wrong - I may have just crippled my own idea about the Promellian being a Klingon - but if he really arrived aboard a shuttle, then he, like most others, doesn't have to rely on such a "ferry".
Did he really say shuttle?
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-- Looks like that refugee transport was a redress of the T'Pau model from TNG, painted green. Of course it was almost certainly CGI, but I thought I recognized the nose section and the curved cowling of the engines.
-- The John Vickery character called the ship the Bortas during Archer's recounting of events. I didn't have the CC on, but it sure sounded like a "B" to me...
-- I'll be damned, that Klingon D5 battle cruiser actually looks imposing while still looking relatively retro!
-- As for its apparently identical design with the tanker/raider from "Marauders," doesn't it make sense that those raiders might have had their own D5 cruiser (stolen or otherwise) retrofitted with those fuel tanks. After all, we've already seen that the Empire is a lot less organized than in TOS and TNG times, so it's not that big a stretch, IMO.
-- Looks like the NX-01 had a third phase cannon on the starboard quarter... during Archer's recounting of the fight, the first shots looked to come from the usual position of the fore-starboard phase cannon. Then the last shot seemed to come from another mount on the direct starboard saucer. We didn't see the actual emitters since the shot was from over the top of the saucer, but the angle made the points of origin pretty clear to me.
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I don't see anything wrong with Noggras' ship being that unidentified ship docked at DS9. Obviously the Klingon Empire has a variety of ships and budget costs limit us to only seeing a half a dozen different types, so its really a pity that we didn't get to see that ship ever reused again.
As for "Judgement":
-I am not sure how much you can count on the closed captioning for that episode. I noticed that they spelled the STVI "Rura Penthe" in this episode "Rura Pente".
-Same with "Som Ra" and "Somraw" (or was it Som'raH"??) from "Sleeping Dogs".
-Also, the "Vor'Tas" didn't really sound like "Bortas" to me, but just the first of many cases of unoriginal thought.
-One other note on this episodes overuse of similar or reused words as previously mentioned, one other was "Kholof" which sounded remarkably like "Koloth" spoken, the first of which obviously predates the latter, it still seems that the writers are either poor spellers or awefully short on fresh ideas.
Finally, this ep. was at all bad, but it sure seemed awefully like a 'sellout' to appeal to TNG/TUC fans, and why, oh why, can't you see their breath while on a frozen planet???
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I don't know about anyone else, but when we see the exterior shots of the Klingon colony-thing, I saw what looked like a Vulcan ship flying away. Complete with warp ring.
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I really wish they wouldn't have used that olive green color scheme for the D-5. It would have looked so much more retro if it were blue or gray.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't think the battlecruiser looked much like the earlier freighter at all.
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This ep was pretty good, despite being a rather shameless rip of STVI. (From the courtroom to Rura Penthe, and even including right down to a torpedo ploy! )
Despite what I've heard others say, I'm hoping they continue a strong Klingon presence on the series. While many are saying that they're "tired" of the Klingons, I say that they always have been and always will be a central pivotal element of Trek, and this is how it should be. What's more, I am thoroughly excited by the fact that ENT has the opportunity to get back to the old us-versus-them scenarios. (While I don't disapprove of TNG and DS9's extensive efforts to humanize and flesh them out, I have always felt that Klingons are at their best when they are portrayed as villains. They're so deliciously...villainy. I have indeed been missing the days of Kor and Kang and Kruge going head to head with Kirk and the gang...)
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It's nice to know that Klingon female clevage continuity is being observed. Anyway, the episode was good even though it did look like ST6. The D-5 should get different nacelles thought... they look like something I've seen before...
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quote: Well, there goes the theory about the D-5 battlecruisers being the ones seen on TAS. (I guess Kor had two vessels named Klothos during his many years of commanding...)
I think this new design is much more suitible for a D-5 class cruiser, given that the TAS version was almost identical to the classic D-7.
quote: I have an idea about the alternate spellings of Klingon names. Suppose that, as with Chinese or Russian here on Earth, there are multiple ways of translating words into English because the alphabets used are different. (ie, Mao Tse-Tung and Peking vs. Mao Zedong and Bejing, etc.) So Bortas and Vor'tas, Tae'ghoko and Ty'Gokor, and Somraw and Sam Ra are all just approximations of English letter translations of Klingon characters.
Qo'noS is merely the hardcore Okrandian spelling of Kronos, just as those sketchy Klingon-speaking guys insist on converting Klingon to Thing'lan (or whatever it is). For whatever reason the Qo'noS spelling still kicks around where otherwise English transliteration is used exclusively.
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Aha! I thought there was something odd about that first shot in Duras' version of things. I guess we can chalk this up to the confusion of viewpoints. Though, I was thinking through the whole thing, surely the sensor logs from the Klingon ship would be available for analysis?
I'm still not sure about the D5's lineage, but I certainly confess the resemblance.
I also didn't think of ST VI during the fight. I mean, that's hardly the only time someone shot a torpedo at a Klingon ship.
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Concerning the Klothos thing.. If the Duras family likes ships named BortaS, then the House of Koloth could simply have a thing for ships named Klothos (or whatever the 24th century Thling'an'Jil translitteration would be). Right?
The Klingons strike me as somewhat similar to Romans here. They display a singular lack of wit in inventing names, for themselves as well as for their possessions. A real warrior no doubt "needs no steenking names", or something like that.
Yeah, I dig the D-5. And the idea that the marauders would have used one as their tanker. And that the Promellian-in-disguise was a Klingon design, since the shape and color and timing do speak for that concept (Noggra said there was a shuttle accident, but did he really say he *arrived* by shuttle?). What I don't dig is the failure to do more with the TOS uniform idea... The lady in the first photo seems to wear texture that could be similar to the TOS rags, but the male uniforms are too leathery for my tastes.
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Oh, and I just heard "Judgement" had something about there having been more varied Klingon castes before, and the society moving towards an all-warrior ideal now.
I hereby declare this a subject matter for the Starships & Technology forum, in case somebody wants to discuss the mechanics of this fascinating process, and how it affects Klingon fashion and language.
The Enterprise forum of course remains the primary one for this stuff...
quote:If the Duras family likes ships named BortaS
Just to clarify, the TNG-Bortas was Gowron's flagship during the civil war.
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