In DS9: "The Abandoned", right after Odo mentions the Defiant and the USS Constellation, the scene cuts to a VFX shot of the Defiant and the Yeager model (or was it just the Yeager model?). Anyway, it might indicate that this USS Constellation was a Yeager.
But preferably not, of course. The ship's too UGLY to have such a nice name.
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Starfleet was seen operating those Xhosa-type vessels, too (and I don't mean other Antares-type freighters, I mean exactly this variant). The (dilithium?) feighter from Voyager's "Author, Author". The Xhosa being a Starfleet or Ex-Starfleet ship is not that unbelievable. I don't want to get into the whole Antares-discussion again, but the TOS-style interior could indicate that the original Antares was a ship of the same class.
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quote:Originally posted by newark: As I was compiling my list, I noticed a pattern in the three ships which bear this registry prefix and are registered with the UFP. These three ships are:
(1.) Civilian operated (2.) Bear the markings of Starfleet ships
I think the registry prefix NAR- is used to denote Starfleet ships which have been shipped to the surplus fleet for re-sale. Once re-sold, the ships are given new names and registries.
Or they could be ships of the Auxiliary Reserve, sort of like the USNS ships of today. Technically military vessels, but crewed purely by civilians. Granted, a lot of those civilians are usually retired ex-Navy, but still...
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quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: I posted a few screencaps of it in the thread about shuttles a couple of months ago. We couldn't make out the registry properly, but maybe it was easier for newark to see on a TV.
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To newark: the DS9 TM does *not* show a Steamrunner at all, neither in the ship specs list at the end of the book nor in the reproduction of the "Operation Return" tactical chart.
Since the Steamrunners featured in all DS9 battles in a major way, I must consider those "legend boxes" in the various charts as not exhaustive.
Perhaps the legend boxes would list ships according to their broader role, and the ones shown would be the primary ship-to-ship combatants? The Steamrunners could be grouped under "planetary assault forces", along with their Constellation escorts (we did hear USS Constellation escorting a troop shipment in "Waltz").
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I was curious if the NCC or NX registry number is assigned when construction of the space frame begins, or the starship program is in the research and development stages, or when the starship is actually commissioned and enters service?
I noticed from reading through Jane's Fighting Ships that a fleet penant number is usually assigned to a ship when construction for the ship is approved or ordered, not when a keel is laid, or when the ship is commissioned or enters service.
So perhaps before the Nebula-class Prometheus was built, Starfleet approved construction of an experimental spaceframe numbered NX-59650, but for some reason the project was discontinued or put on hold before the starship was completed and the project files were sealed or space frame was moth-balled or placed in some sort of storage.
Then the Nebula-class U.S.S. Prometheus was commissioned, served in Starfleet, and then was lost or decommisioned.
Then work on the NX-59650 resumed and was completed so that the craft could start space trials of its experimental frame or systems. When the experimental craft was commissioned, Starfleet Command could have given the starship the name Prometheus in honor of the Nebula-class ship that was lost?
After reading several volumes of Jane's Fighting Ships for different years, it appears that some ships may have their names changed several times during construction, but the penant number always remains the same. If memory serves the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier U.S.S. United States was renamed to the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan. Also, this happened with a large Russian aircraft carrier that had its name changed at least three times before it was commissioned, I think the name of the ship now is Admiral Kuznetsov, before it was known as the Tblisi.
This may be one way to come up with a rational explanation for the Okuda/VFX miscommunication regarding the registry number of thePrometheus-class U.S.S. Prometheus?
Further, this could answer the question of whether a ship with a lower registry number is actually an older ship, for example the 6XXXX region of the Akira class registries. Although they are considered new ships, it doesn't mean that Starfleet started with a blank sheet of paper or finish work that had been started years earlier.
Perhaps you could give the registry number NX-74913 to the Prometheus-class U.S.S. Garuda, which was mentioned in a Deep Space 9 episode script but never seen on film or mentioned in the filmed dialog?
Although canon purists would reject this possible solution, it could be used by role-players to explain the low registry number of the thePrometheus-class U.S.S. Prometheus or the low registry numbers of other "new" starships.
As I was compiling my list, I noticed a pattern in the three ships which bear this registry prefix and are registered with the UFP. These three ships are:
(1.) Civilian operated (2.) Bear the markings of Starfleet ships
I think the registry prefix NAR- is used to denote Starfleet ships which have been shipped to the surplus fleet for re-sale. Once re-sold, the ships are given new names and registries.
I agree w/the thinking that they're more like USNS ships of modern day. They're technically USN chartered ships operated by "contract" civilians. Perhaps StarFleet does something similar instead of just giving up or selling them. After all, Keiko was a civilian serving on board Enterprise-D when Obrien met her, right? So there is a precedence.
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I'm all for the USNS analogy, although it should be stressed that the missions of the NAR ships are often even less "military" in nature than those of the regular Starfleet. It shouldn't be thought that NAR ships would be more "military" than yer random merchantman, then.
As for that pennant number thing, the USN does stay faithful to a number once it's assigned. The only major recent reshuffling was with the Kidd destroyers, and only because those weren't even supposed to be numbered originally - they were built strictly for export. But other navies change the pennant codes frequently. In the Russian navy, the codes actually used to reflect the assignment of the vessel, rather than her (or his, in Russian) identity.
Granted, Starfleet registry numbers supposedly don't change a lot. But perhaps that of the Yamato did? Perhaps she was cleared for a glorious suffixed "exploration registry" for a tour of duty outside UFP borders, but that got revoked when she went to RNZ patrol duty.
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: I posted a few screencaps of it in the thread about shuttles a couple of months ago. We couldn't make out the registry properly, but maybe it was easier for newark to see on a TV.
As I was compiling my list, I noticed a pattern in the three ships which bear this registry prefix and are registered with the UFP. These three ships are:
(1.) Civilian operated (2.) Bear the markings of Starfleet ships
I think the registry prefix NAR- is used to denote Starfleet ships which have been shipped to the surplus fleet for re-sale. Once re-sold, the ships are given new names and registries.
Personally I think of NAR as being the registry code for ships that are from, or registered to Earth, or the Sol System in general. This is mainly because the MARIPOSA and the SEATTLE (both pre-federation ship) had an NAR number and it was described as "UN registry". (See the "Up the long Ladder" displays for reference)
Another vessel known to sport the NAR prefix is the (impulse only) Executive Shuttle glimpsed at in ST:VI (SD1-03), I seriously doubt that an ex-starfleet shuttle would be used a a civilian transport. More likely it's just an Earth/Sol bound civillian vessel.
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I concur with Reverend. Think of civil aviation here in the United States where the license number of an civilian aircraft is painted in large letters and numbers on the tail, this also occurs on commercial passenger jets as well.
I would suspect that all civilian starships are required to be licensed and registered, and this license/registry number must be displayed prominently.
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quote:Originally posted by Triton: I concur with Reverend. Think of civil aviation here in the United States where the license number of an civilian aircraft is painted in large letters and numbers on the tail, this also occurs on commercial passenger jets as well.
US Military aircraft also require the registry number be written in large enough to read numbers. Just so's ya know.
quote:I would suspect that all civilian starships are required to be licensed and registered, and this license/registry number must be displayed prominently.
Which fits in well w/what we've seen in regards to even shuttlecraft. All shuttlecraft that we've seen on TV or in the movies has a very distinctive registry number on it, usually owing to the "mother ship" or home base it operates off of.
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BDR - Federation, non-Starfleet, Transport SS Santa Maria, BDR-529
NCV - Federation, Starfleet, Time-ship USS Relativity, NCV 474439
Has any found out if anyone connected in the production of Star Trek has given, or written, a definitive answer for what these letter prefixs mean and how they are used?
Anything about this in the long-running Star Trek: The Magazine?
I know the story about the airplance painted with NC-1701 or NC1701 that Matt Jefferies or Gene Roddenberry saw, and they thought it looked neat and decided to add an extra C and paint this on the Enterprise model. I have heard so many variations of this story over the years that I don't know which one is true anymore or if the whole thing is apocraphyl.
Also, I have seen about half a dozen definitions for the acronym NCC such as Navigational Command Code, Naval Construction Contract, Naval Command Code, and Naval Construction Code among others. Has any source, that we can trust, given us a definitive answer?
Has Mike Okida, Rick Sternbach, or anyone else involved with the shows, given us a definitve answer for which letter registry prefixs are in use in the Federation and what each means. Are they acronyms, or are they just letter combinations like trying to figure out the three letter prefix in state or provincial license plates? Guessing, I am reasonable confident that the X means experimental, but the meaning of the other letters is anyone's guess.
Let's keep the discussion away from speculation, but centered on licensed sources of information. If you reply, please give the source and page number.
Can we cross our fingers and hope that this will be discussed in the fourth edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia? And put an end to years of debate and discussion?
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Below is a list of registry prefixes. I am assuming they are used by the Federation.
AS-
Aeroshuttles.
BDR-
Erewhon Class transports.
NAR-
PRE-2161 New United Nations registry. POST-2161 Used for ships formerly employed in Starfleet. This includes 'SD-103'. When I looked closely at the ventral side of the ship, I noticed the Starfleet pennant.
NCC-
This registry prefix is used for starships and runabouts. And, in at least one case, for a space station.
NCD-
Iyarran Toron-type shuttle.
NDT-
Transports.
NFT-
Whorfin Class transports.
NSP-
Ships of the Vulcan Merchant Marines.
NX-
Pre-2161 Used to identify the Enterprise and her sister ship as NX Class starships. Post-2161 Experimental Starfleet prototype ships.
NXP-
Prototype of the prototype. These are the study models used for the design and construction of the prototype.
OV-
Used by the nation-state United States of America, Earth, Sol System. Orbital shuttles.
TR-
ASRVs employed aboard the USS Enterprise-E.
VS-
Vulcan Shuttles.
YLT-
Yridian transports.
I have also noted SC- and RS- which are, I think, abbreviated forms of the full name: Starfleet Command to SC and Relay Station to RS.
I am unclear if CV-65 mentioned in an article in Star Trek: The Magazine was a registry. Thus, it was not included.
I noted some registries which were mistakenly used for other ships. I am wondering if after correction if these registries are legitimate.
For instance, the USS Grissom of "Hollow Toys" was given a registry of NCC-59314. This was later corrected. However, was the registry NCC-59314 still valid for an Oberth Class starship?
Do you think the same applies for NCC-1831 for a Constitution Class starship, NCC-1937 for a Miranda Class starship, and NCC-10523 for a Renaissance Class starship.
Adding to the list of registry prefixes, there was the NCV- which denoted time ships. I can't believe I forgot this one.
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quote:Originally posted by newark: >SNIKT!< I am unclear if CV-65 mentioned in an article in Star Trek: The Magazine was a registry. Thus, it was not included.
That seems to be a "bastardized" version of the registry for the contemporary USN nuclear powered aircraft carrier Enterprise. The appropriate registry should be CVN-65, tho.
quote:I noted some registries which were mistakenly used for other ships. I am wondering if after correction if these registries are legitimate.
For instance, the USS Grissom of "Hollow Toys" was given a registry of NCC-59314. This was later corrected. However, was the registry NCC-59314 still valid for an Oberth Class starship?
Do you know why it was changed? And "corrected" why, exactly?
quote:Do you think the same applies for NCC-1831 for a Constitution Class starship, NCC-1937 for a Miranda Class starship, and NCC-10523 for a Renaissance Class starship.
I don't think I understand what you're getting at here. Were there other ships w/those registries that were later changed? Can you give better defined answers, please? I'm totally confused by what you're asking here....
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Perhaps she was cleared for a glorious suffixed "exploration registry" for a tour of duty outside UFP borders, but that got revoked when she went to RNZ patrol duty.![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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