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I know theres nothing canon on this but I still think it's worth discussing. During a mission on SFC3 there is a scripted event which includes the following information about a Norway Class ship-
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And now, the St.John Formula for determining starship crew values.
Cv=((A�15)�L�4))-P+2
where:
--A=the crew value of an similar approximate-sized vessel of type in the same design era; --L=the number of available lifeboat hatches; --P=25% of (L�4)
So.
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Is that supposed to mean something, Shik? Because L * 4 * .25 = L. It's just a longer way to express the constant anyway.
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Minus, not times, foo'.
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quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: I know theres nothing canon on this but I still think it's worth discussing. During a mission on SFC3 there is a scripted event which includes the following information about a Norway Class ship-
Do you think this is accurate? It is also said to have launched 17 life boats. Thoughts?
So.... 708 people onboard. Assuming similar lifeboats as those on the GCS and friends, with maximum capacity of 6 per craft... 102 got off that ship. Makes Titanic's percentages look good, me thinks.
But yeah, I'd say 1/3 that number. She doesn't strike me as a particularly roomy ship, especially with her NAVDEF arrangement.
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quote:Originally posted by David Templar: So.... 708 people onboard. Assuming similar lifeboats as those on the GCS and friends, with maximum capacity of 6 per craft... 102 got off that ship. Makes Titanic's percentages look good, me thinks.
LOL!
I'd say the maximum crew number on the Norway is about 50-60.
I'd say it'd be comparable to the Defiant x 1.5 or something
The thing is WHAT does that ship do?
I reckon the Sabre is another Borg Weapon ship like the Defiant... maybe the Norway is as-well? So you wouldn't want to have too many people on that ship - that didn't really need to be there.
Maybe it's 'shovel nose' is for ramming!?!
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I'd say 300 is a large number for the ship's crew compliment. 220-250 sounds better for a ship smaller than an Intrepid but still more than five times the habitable interior volime of a Defiant.
I like this ship as a light cruiser with it's phaser array steming from a specialized deflector array: possibly huge amounts of power can be funneled through the deflector as one of those "deflector based weapons" Geordi mentioned on the drw=awing board in BOBW? It's the only way to explain why the ship has no phaser strips anywhere shown (althgough I added a Q-Torp launcher and phaser strips to the ventral side of my own Norwary class model.) Who can make us a nice Norway MSD? I challenge you I say!
I agree that the Sabre is very likely a defiant-styled warshiip with minimal: amenities and a crew of 40-50 (the excellent MSD supports this theory).
THe Akira, of course, should be hauled away AS garbage!
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The Norway, being yet another oddball shape that doesn't see use outside the Dominion War (or, in fact, outside First Contact!), could be a special combat model that has no peacetime use whatsoever. No matter how "peaceful", Starfleet is bound to have *some* of those.
My favorite interpretation? The "First Contact" battle was the first to involve these oddly shaped ships (Norways, Steamrunners, Sabers) because they were warships amassing for a counterattack against the Dominion. Specifically, they were warships of very limited ship-to-ship combat value (as shown by their futile resistance), and thus probably optimized for planetary assault.
The Steamrunner certainly has the biggest shuttlebay in Trek history, in relation to overall size. And the second-least armament. An obvious LPD-type vessel! Norway could be a troop carrier, with assault barges normally stored between those aft booms, and with basically no ship-to-ship armament or other normal starship features. The bow greeblies could hide a badass planetary bombardment cannon with limited field of fire. The ship flies towards a planet bow first, protecting her precious barges with the bulk of her armored, almost porthole-free forward hull, and firing her sole weapon...
A troop carrier justifiably could have a "crew" of thousands, even if about 50 of that was dedicated to actually operating the ship. And it would be obvious why we'd never see solo Norways (or Steamrunners) out in deep space. If the Steamrunner is the classic LPD/LSD vessel, the Norway could be the Newport class fast LST - a curiously shaped special type built in low numbers, in only one class, and abandoned as impractically specialized.
Here's a challenge for the Creative forum: design the assault barge that goes between the aft booms... Wanna stack eight to twelve of those there, or just one? Aerodynamic or not? Embarking is via the booms - how to disembark? Design your own nose art or warpaint!
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I've got my Impulse Engine between those booms! The CGI model has no impulse engines at all so I placed mine between the booms where the ship's hull would shield it. I have seen a few models (physical fan made kind)that have two HUGE impulse engines on either side of the booms, but I placed shuttlebays there: That could serve as your assualt ship.
It's possible that the Norway is a diplomatic cruiser or that hidden in the ship's hull are pulse phasers that were inoperative during the final attack on the Cube.
Of all the FC ships, this is the closest we have to a true tabla rasa.
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I don't think we're really warranted in making any assumptions about the Norway based on its lack of hull detail. It's that way because it was always meant to be in the far background. Presumably, if it had ever been shown close up, someone would have gone back and added in phaser strips, transporter arrays, impulse engines, and the assorted other components that make up a Star Trek ship. (Though, I guess, not necessarily, considering the Nebula.)
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There were two Norways in the battle and both survived. On the other hand, the Steamrunners were massacred in great numbers. I counted at least ten of these ships as destroyed.
Another pecularity of the Norways-they weren't active before the Enterprise-E led the fleet. They were outside the battle area. When the Enterprise-E made her charge, both Norways joined in and opened fire. Based on the visual evidence, the Norways are designed as support vessels with limited weaponry and great speed. They were able to clear the destructive blast of the exploding Borg cube.
The Norways are probably not a successful class and were limited to a few missions. This would account for their low visibility.
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quote:Originally posted by newark: [QB] There were two Norways in the battle and both survived. On the other hand, the Steamrunners were massacred in great numbers. I counted at least ten of these ships as destroyed.
So mabye the Norway's main phaser has a longer range and they were able to stay out of the Borg's immeadiate range. Or they're just tougher starships.
quote: Another pecularity of the Norways-they weren't active before the Enterprise-E led the fleet. They were outside the battle area. When the Enterprise-E made her charge, both Norways joined in and opened fire. Based on the visual evidence, the Norways are designed as support vessels with limited weaponry and great speed.
The Norway's were very likely part of a fourth or fifth wave of starfleet ships that engaged the Cube during the three hour running battle toward sector 001.
quote: The Norways are probably not a successful class and were limited to a few missions. This would account for their low visibility.
Why do you say that? 99% of starfleet is science, diplomacy and exploration: we never saw another Norway because it's not a combat hog like the Akira. That means it has more mission diversity, not less.
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