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She said she had 300 hundred years of catch up learning to do, plus it doesn't seam likely that Kirk would have trouble finding her on Earth. I think a SPACE science vessel is clearly implied.
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For pete's sake, why? "Nobody in your century knows anything about whales."
"Well, let's get you at least a thousand lightyears from these here whales, learning about an alien form of life that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike whales." The whole point of having her around is to work with the whales they brought back.
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I spotted that too. These two bits of dialogue do seam to contradict each other.
Maybe she is required to do a tour in space before she's allowed to be in Science Academy or whatever it's called (note she had the same badge as Carol & David Marcus.)
She would certianly need to be re-educated, if only to allow her to use 23rd Century technology.
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Here's the two bits of dialogue. The first one is just after they decloaked infront of the whaling ship and beamed up George and Gracie.
KIRK He means our chances of getting home are not very good. You might have lived a longer life if you'd stayed where you belong.
GILLIAN I belong here. at his look) Suppose by some miracle you do get them through. (beat) Who in the 23rd Century knows anything about Humpback whales?
KIRK (a long moment) ... You have a point...
And the second one is just after the hearing.
GILLIAN My own exonerated Kirk! I'm so.. juiced, I can't tell you! (she kisses him) Bye, Kirk... Thanks.
She starts away.
KIRK Hey! -- Where you going?!
GILLIAN You're going to your ship, I'm going to mine. Science Vessel. I've got 300 years of catch-up learning to do.
KIRK You mean this is -- goodbye?
GILLIAN (perplexed) Why does it have to be goodbye?
KIRK Well, I... As they say in your century -- I don't even have your phone number. How will I find you?
GILLIAN Don't worry. I'll find you. (then) See you around the galaxy...
I think it's that last line that really throws it for me. How can she see him round the Galaxy if she's staying on Earth? However I do see your point, it can be taken either way.
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If that line was in the script, it was changed. And with good reason.
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Yup. Perhaps in this script, it is intended for USS Saratoga to be a new design and not a "Reliant class vessel"? The writers (or "technical patchup" writers doing some fine-tuning) might have counted on TPTB spending big bucks on a new model for the relatively central Saratoga, and throwing in both that new model and the older model from STII for the final scene.
As for Taylor's "science vessel", perhaps it was to be used for monitoring the whales in an offworld preserve where the whales would be transferred after the nosy probe had departed for sure? Perhaps whatever killed the whales (not whaling, but something like pollution or lack of plankton) was still a problem in the Earth oceans, and George and Gracie would perish if forced to stay on Earth...
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Well if Earth in the 23rd century was the paradise that Gene Roddenberry intended, I think that the whales would have done very well on their own in the Pacific and wouldn't need Dr. Taylor anymore to nursemaid them. The Federation probably could replicate krill by the ton if the live variety was unavailable in the ocean. Also there might have been several more years of scientific knowledge accumulated about the Humpback whale before they, and the others, died out that Dr. Taylor did not know. Perhaps Dr. Taylor was only unique in the fact that she was the only living person to have personal experience with living whales. But she may not have possessd unique knowledge.
Besides if the whales needed anything they could always tell a Vulcan, or another telepath, through a mind meld.
Given the choice of being the whale minder again or serving on a science ship, who could blame Gillian for choosing the science ship?
Regarding the Miranda-class starship shown in the space dock at the end of ST IV, it seems reasonable that Saratoga would go there for repairs or testing before returning to active service.
Certainly if Gene Roddenberry's assertion is true that the 1701-A was the repainted Yorktown. Don't know if she went back to space dock under her own power, or if she was towed back.
We just need to figure out what happened to Capt. Vijay and his crew because I don't think that the ship was destroyed after encountering the whale probe, just disabled. If all hands did die on the Yorktown, it would explain how a new starship was available so quickly and why Starfleet renamed it.
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Hmmm... Makes me wonder if the crew of Saratoga survived. It might have been several days since the Probe passed them and if they were too far from a star system for a "make-shift solar sail" to work for them, they might well have all died. That might well explain why it was the same Saratoga we saw in the beginning of the movie, I guess.
...and then the ghosts of the dead crew remained on board and haunted the ship for several years. The crews of the ship always felt as if they were being watched, things would disappear, doors would lock tight or open up at bizarre times and people just wouldn't feel all that at ease on board her. After more than a decade, StarFleet decided to scrap Saratoga and build a new one, w/a new registry number - thus we have Sisko's Saratoga in DS9's Premiere episode "Emissary".
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I know it's Voyager, but with respect to the Yorktown, have y'all forgotten that during "Flashback," Tuvok receives a letter from his parents aboard the Yorktown? Which means either the Enterprise-A isn't the repainted Yorktown or it is and Vijay and crew got a new Excelsior-class Yorktown.
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