quote:the Victory was never seen being towed. it was an active ship that rendezvoused with the E-D..
The footage of the Victory (which lasted for about five seconds) was the head-on shot of the approaching Stargazer form "The Battle" but the perspective was much farther away so that the viewer couldn't see the battle damage or the name "Stargazer" on the hull.
IMHO, this was a stupid shot. Obviously the producers felt they had to actually show the rendezvous (without building a new model), so the best stock footage shot they had at the time was of the Stargazer, so that's what they used. I personally think they shouldn't even have shown the Victory at all, if that's what they were going to use to represent it. It threw a monkey wrench into the hypothesis that Constellation-class ships weren't on active service as of 2363.
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Well, the very best stock footage shot would be the ol' Hood rendevous scene that's played near endlessly through the first few seasons.
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But the Victory was yet again shown on the DS9 Casualty Chart of the Dominion War. So at least one Constellation was still around.
The Victory was also on the starship operations list during TNG with a mission of "Stellar Nuclei Population Survey".
The class vessel NX-1974 was still undergoing Certification Tests as of 'Trek VI' so as a starship class, the Constellation Class was newer than the Mirandas and they're still around in the 2370s.
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: The class vessel NX-1974 was still undergoing Certification Tests as of 'Trek VI' so as a starship class, the Constellation Class was newer than the Mirandas and they're still around in the 2370s.
That has to be false, though; the Excelsior was a long-running project that had to have taken a lot longer to develop than a conventional starship like the Constellation. I'm guessing that the tests on the NX-1974 were nothing more than minor re-certification tests following some sort of minor refit or upgrade. After all, if the four-nacelle warp drive method needed some tweaking, it would make sense that it would have to be refined a few years after the launch...
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Although not canon, although it couldn't come from a more informed source, Rick Sternbach's article about the Constellation Class in ST:Mag Jan/03 indicated the USS Constellation launched June 15, 2284. Just to put a date on things.
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Also, a Constellation was shown as part of Picard's fleet in Redemption Pt. II. And that WASN'T reused footage!
No, that was the producer's throwing together every available model that they had in an attempt to create the impression of a "big fleet" (by TNG standards, anyway).
And considering that Picard's fleet was created at the last minute, the Constellation there could have been a ship pulled out of mothballs.
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And since that particular ship in the fleet has been shown to be the Hathaway (the registry was the same), that could prove PsyLiam's point as well.
I'm surprised they didn't use the Reliant, Grissom, or Excelsior model in that shot. But, obviously by this point they wanted to make use of the newest TNG-created ships instead of the old movie models.
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Unless that Constellation was being stored convieniently close to the RNZ, I don't think it was mothballed ship. But of course, there's the surplus yard from the very same episode
And I believe that Enterprise-A was put in the museum. It's the best fate for any starship (besides "turning death into a fighting chance to live." )
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Why wouldnt the Constellation class still be in service though? It's more recent than many, and Picard's was in use during the Ambassador's heyday.
Those ships are probably part of "home fleets" within the Federation that patrol but dont do much exploring anymore. I'd imagine the same holds true with the MIranda
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And if that ship was the Hathaway, then Starfleet had to invest some time and money in the ship. Remember, when we saw it in "Peak Performance" the warp drive wasn't even working. For the ship to function in Picard's blockade, it must have undergone at least a minimal refit ... on the other hand, considering "Redemption" is post-BoBW, Starfleet may have recomissioned older starships to help plug the losses incurred at Wolf 359.
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Didn't we see an Excelsior class ship as part of the "fleet flying away" shot in Redemption II.
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: And I believe that Enterprise-A was put in the museum. It's the best fate for any starship (besides "turning death into a fighting chance to live." )
No, seriously, stop it. Don't make me mention "Relics" again.
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