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Briefly going back to the whole CiC/CSO mess, Kirk was the CSO in TMP, but was only a low ranking admiral and he still had to go to Nogura to get the Enterprise back.
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Nogura might have been in charge of fleet deployments and new commisions.
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He could have been the project head in charge of refitting all those aging TOS era ships.
Either way, Kirk couldnt step on his toes.
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btw, wasnt the TWOK torpedo room scene where Nick Meyer did his uniformed cameo? or did i just hear that somewhere?
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Fleet Admiral Marrow from STIII was called "Starfleet Commander", and was also implied to be the Big Chief of Starfleet.
Other Fleet Admirals were Cartwright in STIV, and Bennett in STV. I haven't seen STV in a long time, but Cartwright might also have been intended to be the chief of Starfleet.
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In the USN the head guy in charge of the Navy is the CNO, Cheif of Naval Operations, directly beneath him are the CinCs, Commander in Cheif Atlantic Fleet, Commander in Cheif Pacific Fleet
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Yes, however, Starfleet doesn't operate completely based off the Earth navies. And the CiCs you mention are only divisions within the USN. The Starfleet CiC is apparently the head of the entire Starfleet.
Though often believed to be CiCs, Cartwright and Bennett don't have to be. Nothing in the scripts or in dialog suggest that notion. It's better that Cartwright wasn't the CiC in ST4 because it's apparent he's under Adm. Smillie in ST6, who was the CiC.
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quote:Originally posted by Dat: It's better that Cartwright wasn't the CiC in ST4 because it's apparent he's under Adm. Smillie in ST6, who was the CiC.
Why? I always got the impression that the position of Starfleet Commander was a temporary one, that senior admirals were rotated through it. With nine years between IV and VI, there's plenty of room for both of them to hold the post. And Cartwright was certainly acting like the guy in charge, briefing the president and all.
Incidentally, at the beginning of TMP Kirk was wearing a rear admiral's rank insignia, so whatever "chief of Starfleet operations" is, it's pretty low on the totem pole. In Roddenberry's novelization, he's acting mostly as a kind of executive officer for Nogura.
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Though I said Starfleet doesn't operate completely off the navies, it would seem odd a policy for officers to hold the highest Starfleet position and then receive a demotion to serve under another officer.
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: He could have been Chief of Starfleet Operations, Sol Sector. Or something.
That actually makes sense: as Sol system would be very well defended (from conventional threats at least) Kirk would have been pretty much a administrator and figurehead.
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"Sol system would be very well defended..."
Yeah, by the biggest particle accelerator cannon in the universe. B)
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Hmm Cartman Im wondering if we are are the same wavelength here because if we are thats just disgusting!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Dat: Though I said Starfleet doesn't operate completely off the navies, it would seem odd a policy for officers to hold the highest Starfleet position and then receive a demotion to serve under another officer.
I wouldn't consider ending a term of office to be a 'demotion.' It's a post, not a rank. To me it makes perfect sense that an admiral would hold the postion of Starfleet Commander for a specific length of time--say, two years or something--and then be replaced by someone else.
And Vonda McIntyre obviously agreed when she wrote the novelization of Star Trek IV; there's a line in there where Cartwright says to Kirk, "you left him (Morrow) one hell of a mess to end his tenure." To which Kirk replies, "and to begin yours."
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Promotions and demotions are not always regarding rank. Going from a lower position to a higher one is a promotion and vice versa is a demotion. The key word is "position". Take for instance, O'Brien said he got a promtion from being a transporter chief to Chief of Operations, while maintaining the same rank. He went from a junior crewman to a senior officer.
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