quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Apparently. But they also had Borg. Which was a new thought for us too.
Well, the Borg were a myth not taken seriously by any real scientist and therefore wasn�t really acknowledged by the Federation.
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A fairly plausable way to explain really stupid writers, Wes.
Almost.
okay, not really at all.
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Mabye there's some creative way to nullify that silly notion of the Federation having known about the Borg for years and years and done nothing about it...
Like saying they made First contact with the Bynars and assumed all those stories were about them.
Heck, one could even wtite a plausable account of the Borg crashing onto Bynar (hundreds of years back) and influenceing their culuture somehow...
Of course, I'd make the Bynars into traitors to the Federation: they'd want to be fully assimilated.
Mabye it's time to write an anthology or chronolgy series that just explains all the contradictions in Trek's timeline. They started that notion in The Lost Era run of books (though only one of those was truly exceptional and one was just....unreadable).
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You don't even need to be that creative. Simply put, the main problem people have with the version of Borg-Starfleet history that developed through the VOY storylines, is that it's contradicted by the reactions of Picard etc. when they met the Borg in "Q Who?"
The way I see it, it's a big galaxy. There are all sorts of nameless no-nos out there. The Krowtownan Guard seemed a nasty bunch, they nearly did for the Ransom Gang, but Janeway & co never met them once or heard any rumours of them. So unless you assume that starship captains are fully briefed on anything that might ever threaten the safety of the Federation, like the Omega Molecule, then maybe they're not told everything and some things remain classified.
After all, what is our canon knowledge of previous Starfleet interaction with the Borg? There were the El-Aurian refugees, who might have told their rescuers something of the threat they were fleeing. This might have been classified, but it would still only be information of a threat a long way away. Then when the Hansens (do we know how they found out about the Borg? Do we even know how they got as far as they did?) decided to go investigate, they were able to get Sterfleet assistance. The crew of the E-D mightn't necessarily know about any of this, and querying the main computer might reveal that either none of this info had been uploaded to it because of secrecy, or maybe a Google search produced only hits about Swedish tennis-players. 8)
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I can accept PIcard's initial reactions to the Borg well enough 9and you're right about dozens of nameless nastiness out there waiting) but for starfleet to know that SOMEONE was "scooping up" starbases from both sides of the NZ and not put anything together is a big stretch: if they really had computer files on all these incidents and on the Hanson Family's research.
You'd imagine Picard and Data would've beeen brought up to speed after BOBW on previous Starfleet/Borg encounters but untill Picard's line about "falling back" there's almost nothing to suggest ongoing skirmishes (aside rom Lore's band of losers nad "Hughs" scoutship crash).
I'd love to see someone bring back the ORIGINAL Borg (circa Q-Pid/BOBW)where they have a hive mind, no petty "queen" to make bad (and emotional!) judgments and occasionally grow their children in incubators as needed.
In the DS9 books they've gone into some detail about the Dominion's preparations for dealing with an eventual Borg incursion (even a brief skirmish)...makes sense really. I'd be suprised if most of the Major Powers did not have some sort of plan for invasion (romulans in particular after losing all those outposts).
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It seems to me that the "original" Borg never existed. They were just Picard and friends' misconception, a confused reaction to a first contact with somebody who's truly alien for a change. I'm perfectly happy with the VOY interpretation of the species, and with the idea that the Borg were X-files stuff until the lid popped off in "Q Who?".
Regarding the Raven, I've already forgotten whether we glimpsed a dedication plaque or other graphic to verify this "USS Raven" thing, or whether it was just dialogue. Do we have a commissioning date? Clearly, we lack a class name...
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'd love to see someone bring back the ORIGINAL Borg (circa Q-Pid/BOBW)where they have a hive mind, no petty "queen" to make bad (and emotional!) judgments and occasionally grow their children in incubators as needed.
The problem with that is that you have no story. A super-powerful alien race that is only represented by their ship which is powerful enough to blow you to dust? They did that in QWho, so what's the point of doing it again?
The Queen appeared because, dramatically, the audience needed an individual (ironically) to represent the race. Q party did that in QWho, and Picard/Locutus did it in BOBW. Take them out, and all you have is a big battle with shooting and stuff.
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I don't think you could have a real hive mind without some imposed outside control like the queen's anyway. Assimilate too many individuals and their collective control would overrule the originals who want to be assimilated, and would effectively end the collective.
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If I remember the episodes correctly, the way the Raven got to the Delta quadrant was it got sucked into a transwarp conduit while it was following a Borg cube.
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At least they found a way to explain how a Federation starship made it all the way to the DQ. "Raven" kind of left us guessing on how the ship managed to get to that planet.
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