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Wow - almost forget this one was happening. No worries, 'cuz I don't think anyone's expecting any gold here. Still, we might be surprised...
-Given the notion of aliens possessing the crew, how many other Trek episodes have featured that? There's more than a few possibilities here.
-But out of left field, it's the - wait for it - Organians. But why do it as posessions, and why are they so mean by infecting people with a deadly virus? Being noncorporeal, I guess they can do possiessions too, but since they can manifest as physical people, one wonders if this reference wasn't mostly shoehorned into the episode to meet some writing mandate that some reference to another series in made. It's been the case since "Home", really...
-This is the "true" Organian first contact that will eventually lead to the Treaty a century hence. Given their apparent ability to see into the future (or have a really good gut instinct about the future of Human-Klingon relations), I wonder what took 'em so long.
-In that case, look for the really really bright and extremely long-taking dissolving effect from the original TOS episode.
-And since they're Organians, 500 quatloos says that the virus consumes everyone and kills them all, only to reveal... It was a test.
-We're promised that Malcolm, Travis and Hoshi will atually have something to DO this time out (probably whilst being posessed - kinda sad to think that being take over by aliens is the best thing the writers can think of to give them some dialogue). Hopefully however, this means that there may be some background for them that we can report. More wagers?
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Organians? I thought they said Arganians... I didn't make the connection.
Yeesh. It's getting bad. Every episode will connect to TOS or TNG? I don't know which is worse.
OK, I do know. Last season was worse. But I dislike this. I dislike it Sam I am.
Organians.... and they think they only have 5,000 years before first contact? Wonder what happened to upset those calculations? And the TOS Organians didn't seem to be the observer types like these are. Oh well, not all humans appear to act the same either.
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-- The Organians have performed this same experiment on the Klingons and the Cardassians, both of whom ended up killing the infected crewmembers.
-- Hoshi was kicked out of "Starfleet Training" (we're back to that, which makes me really mad that that "Damage" fucked up with the Starfleet Academy diploma) for breaking the arm of a "company commander" who interrupted her floating poker game. Trip abbreviates it as "STC," which could stand for "Starfleet Training Corps" or "Starfleet Training Command."
-- It is taught in Exobiology-101 that a carbon-based immune system cannot fight a silicon-based virus. Funny, as both in "The Devil In The Dark" (TOS) and that one TNG episode with the "inorganic lifeform" it seemed as if these kinds of things hadn't been encountered, so how could they know?
Herb: IIRC, what upset their 5,000-year plan was Kirk and Kor trying to duke it out on their planet, whilst their space fleets did the same in orbit.
As to the excessively-indulgent continuity porn...hey, it may well be the last season of the last Trek show for a very long time, if not ever. So what the hell, let's have some clean, geeky fun!
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I don't mind the Organians being portrayed as a bit more sinister, or at least mercurial, considering their apparent laxity in enforcing the threats of their treaty. Who knows how fast they think, or how long their civilizations last? By the time the Klingons and Federation find them again, they may have forgotten all about them. Or, since Mark suggests they manifest themselves a little differently here, perhaps they evolved into something else entirely in the meantime?
Anyway, all I'm saying is that we don't really know anything about their attention span, or their lifecycle, or what sorts of things they do when they aren't messing around with lower lifeforms. Perhaps a few weeks after meeting Kirk some Organian proposes they see what happens when they run some of their mental processes in subspace, and by the 24th century they don't even live in our universe anymore.
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Maybe it was the case with the Silicon organisms in TOS and TNG being SENTIENT lifeforms - or even LIFEFORMS - where-as what is mentioned is a Silicon-based virus.
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Well, I haven't seen it yet (it's taking forever to download, for some reason), but:
"Hoshi was kicked out of 'Starfleet Training' ... for breaking the arm of a 'company commander' who interrupted her floating poker game."
What? For three and a half years, they've portrayed her as a relatively reserved academic type with a tendency toward cowardice. Now, suddenly, she's the sort of person who physically assaults her commanding officers when they slightly annoy her?
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Everyone here seems to be suggesting the Organians infected several crew/races and observed the results.
What I had taken from the episode is that the virus is on the planet already (and being silicon-based, presumably long-lived) and the Organians didn't plant it, but rather knew about it and observed races that simply and innocently encountered it and watched the results.
I thought they were keeping themselves separate from the experiment, but I wasn't under the impression they had concocted it. -----------
What I thought was a nice touch is what Archer said to them about how to better learn about humans...they seemed to feel they could better understand humans by recreating them in form.
I guess that's why in Kirk's time, he finds Organia a thriving population of apparent 'humans'.
quote:Originally posted by TSN: What? For three and a half years, they've portrayed her as a relatively reserved academic type with a tendency toward cowardice. Now, suddenly, she's the sort of person who physically assaults her commanding officers when they slightly annoy her?
Yeah, that was definitely out of left field. I wonder if Coto or the Reeves-Stevenses had a problem with her portrayal thus far, and wanted to make her a "stronger female character" or some silly thing like that. I dislike retcons of this kind.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: One thing that struck me as odd was that whole "Humans are different" stuff, while the actual work on the cure was done by Denobulan and a Vulcan...
The test wasn't finding a cure, it was "how they react to the unexpected," and what was significant was that Archer was willing to sacrifice himself for his companions.
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: Everyone here seems to be suggesting the Organians infected several crew/races and observed the results.
What I had taken from the episode is that the virus is on the planet already (and being silicon-based, presumably long-lived) and the Organians didn't plant it, but rather knew about it and observed races that simply and innocently encountered it and watched the results.
I thought they were keeping themselves separate from the experiment, but I wasn't under the impression they had concocted it.
That's correct, Organian-Reed said "all this would have happened whether we were here or not." Although I wonder about the possibility that the Organians could have caused the meteor crash in the first place.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Anyone get the impression that the possessed Mayweather and Reed were one or two of the Organians seen later?
How do you mean, exactly? In "Errand of Mercy"? In this episode there were only two Organians, who moved from body to body at will.
Oh, and I forgot to mention:
-- Trip and Hoshi debate the cinematic merits of Michael Chrichton and Robert Wise's The Andromeda Strain while in quarantine!
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I did have the strangest feeling while watching the episode that the Organian inhabiting Reed was Ayelborne. I don't really have anything to back that idea up, though.
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Ah. I see. By the way, I don't know what made me think it was "Damage," but it was the more recent "Storm Front, Part II" that had the cock up with the Academy diploma. Stupid stupid stupid.
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I don't recall exactly what reference was made to her diploma, but could we assume it was an honorary one given to her because she (by being part of the crew of the Enterprise) was famous?
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