I suppose long range sensor sweeps could be possible. I find it odd that I think Adm Pressman said it tested a lot of tech for the Galaxy-class. Completely different engines, deflectors, and all that.
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My USS Podish Class was built along those lines, designed liked a Ptolemy Tug without the tow pad and the warp nacelles up against the primary hull.
The objective was to create a "superscout" that had high enough warp speed to coast through an enemy system with all it's system shut down and shielded passive sensors collecting ECM/ECCM data. Two nacelles gave it more redundancy than the standard Hermes/Saladin classes, hence the Superscout.
When I mentioned "counting whales" I was alluding to the idea that the Oberths were perfect for missions other than the standard ones a science vessel would have.
It might explain their long staying power in an otherwise extremely hostile enviroment. Compare the current B-52 bombers whose first flights were in 1952. They've got the hull and systems integrity to keep absorbing upgrades long after they should have been retired. (Enterprise was 40 when they tried to retire her?)
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quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I find it odd that I think Adm Pressman said it tested a lot of tech for the Galaxy-class. Completely different engines, deflectors, and all that.
The Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne class vessel. The script reflects this, even the sets reflect this. But when they couldn't build a detailed Cheyenne model in time, they used the Oberth model (also, the Crazy Horse was also supposed to be a Cheyenne, thus the 5xxxx registry).
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quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I find it odd that I think Adm Pressman said it tested a lot of tech for the Galaxy-class. Completely different engines, deflectors, and all that.
The Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne class vessel. The script reflects this, even the sets reflect this. But when they couldn't build a detailed Cheyenne model in time, they used the Oberth model (also, the Crazy Horse was also supposed to be a Cheyenne, thus the 5xxxx registry).
Admiral John Locke!
Now I just had an idea - a few 'special edition' eps - where they fix up some effects. They could nicely replace the Oberth Pegasus with a Cheyenne Pegasus!
Do we have ANY other views of the Cheyenne class other than that trading card version?
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quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: I find it odd that I think Adm Pressman said it tested a lot of tech for the Galaxy-class. Completely different engines, deflectors, and all that.
The Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne class vessel. The script reflects this, even the sets reflect this. But when they couldn't build a detailed Cheyenne model in time, they used the Oberth model (also, the Crazy Horse was also supposed to be a Cheyenne, thus the 5xxxx registry).
Huh. I though that Amby variant with the nacelles down and no neck (a sketch MSD of Sternbach's was sold two years ago on ebay and we talked about it untill I built my USS Hemidall model of it) was supposed to the the Pegasus.
I never heard of a Chyenne being considered before.
Anyhow, the systems being tested could have been targeting sensors, weapons interfaces, transporter and shield technology- none of which would preclude a larger ship.
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quote:Originally posted by Topher: The Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne class vessel. The script reflects this, even the sets reflect this. But when they couldn't build a detailed Cheyenne model in time, they used the Oberth model (also, the Crazy Horse was also supposed to be a Cheyenne, thus the 5xxxx registry).
This is only partially correct. It is true that the Crazy Horse, after being mentioned by name only in "Descent, Part I" (TNG), was listed by Okuda as Cheyenne-class and assigned a registry of NCC-50446 in the first Star Trek Encylcopedia and only later appeared as an Excelsior in "The Pegasus" (TNG). It is also true that the Pegasus herself was originally intended to be a new design of ship, but it was not that of the Cheyenne Class. Rather, it was an Ambassador-derived design, as can be seen in this sketch by Rick Sternbach. When this was not allowed by the budget, the Oberth model was used instead.
While it is true that a display on the Pegasus Engineering set appears to show what might be four nacelles, I know of no official record citing a connection between the ship and the Cheyenne design. The display may indeed have been created by Okuda, one of the very few people on staff who would have had any idea what the Cheyenne looked like, (or even that it existed, modelled by Ed Miarecki and named by Okuda himself for use in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II" [TNG]) but no other evidence for the oft-repeated fandom tale that the Pegasus was supposed to be a Cheyenne exists AFAIK. No TNG script makes any mention whatsoever of "Cheyenne class" in reference to any ship, nor does any episode's dialogue, although another Okuda-generated display from "Redemption, Part II" (TNG) establishes that the class does exist and that the ship from BoBWII (the Ahwahnee) was of it.
Unless anyone has further evidence in support of the claim, I tend to think that this little urban legend got started through confusion between the established background stories of the Pegasus and Crazy Horse, which both coincidentally culminated in the same episode, perhaps furthering the confusion.
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P.S. I forgot to mention that a further point which might have contributed to the Pegasus-as-Cheyenne theory is the fact that her registry number (NCC-53847) is of comparable range to that of the number assigned to the Crazy Horse (NCC-50446) in the Encyclopedia, where (as mentioned) the latter was also listed as a Cheyenne.
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They should have gone with the Amby version: it would have been schweet.
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But the larger you make the ship, the less likely it is that the mutineers would fail to detain the Captain. It has to be a fairly short hop from the bridge to the shuttlebay if Pressman and Riker are to have any hope of making it.
Incidentally, this plot detail in "The Pegasus" does confirm that Oberth class vessels carry shuttlecraft. That is, unless the Pegasus herself was heavily modified from the class norm. Since she was something of a testbed, and since about half of her was hidden from our view, this is of course a distinct possibility...
The display in "Hero Worship" suggests that the shuttlebay is at the stern of the ventral pod, although there are no obvious openings for it. The aft "tunnel" is too small for the purpose. Perhaps a topside sliding panel?
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Hmmm good points about the Pegasus' size needing to be small to accomidate the story better (though the shuttlebay on the Amby's "C-Deck" would have worked in the story's context of a running firefight from bridge to shuttlebay, I suppose).
How does Hero Worship confirm shuttles? Was there an MSD or something?
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The only way to get that Type 6 out of there without resorting to the "completely seamless dorsal doors" theory would be to say that the side "grilles" on the pod are rolling doors.
Quite possible, I guess, if we think of the pod as a mounting system for swappable instruments (or for assorted cargo in the oft-quoted supply ship role). However, rolling those doors away would definitely ruin the day for people working in the aftermost cabins of the pod...
...Unless those cabins are in the centerline only, and are flanked on both sides by pressure bulkheads. Such an arrangement would be relatively workable. And not every Oberth need have those centerline cabins; virtually the entire interior could be reconfigurable, save for the warp core in the middle (and that area is actually flanked by solid walls anyway). A science vessel would have the extra cabins and the extra computer core. A supply ship might have fuel tanks. A whaling vessel would have a boiling kettle. And so forth.
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but the MSD seems to indicate decks in the pylons as well, and that's just total bullshit.
Mabye the ship was carrying a shuttle or two as cargo to some outpost when disaster struck. Hapless (and doomed) crew had just enough time to lament "if only we could get to those shuttles we're carrying..."
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: [QB] but the MSD seems to indicate decks in the pylons as well, and that's just total bullshit.
That's not the first time! It's possible that the Vico was a 400 meter Oberth, which would put it in league with the Klingon Bird of Prey for the same hull having been built in multiple scales.
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