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Sure, I can certainly ask about this there. But just to let you know, I've asked questions like this before (though not specifically about the Copernicus), and come up dry.
As for the Trinculo, you'll have to refresh my memory about that ship. What was the issue again?
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Rumour has it that a Galaxy class vessel on exhibit at a Planet Hollywood restaurant was labeled as USS Trinculo NCC-71867.
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But no one (to my knowledge) has ever been able to produce any photographs of it, despite claims of having seen them, leading me to use it as a byword for "ship of which photographic documentation is absent from evidence, despite such documentation being purported to exist."
It used to get mentioned fairly frequently around these parts, and I have no doubt that a search through the record of it being discussed here might lead to numerous embarrassing and/or entertaining examples of, in the words of one Captain Mike K. Bartel, "Mim fit[ting] his pattern of hearing what is actually the truth and then disregarding it for his own belief" and defrock me of whatever little credibility yet left to me in matters such as the one at hand...so, erm, let's not do that, then, ok? Ah, to be young and stupid again!
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quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: But no one (to my knowledge) has ever been able to produce any photographs of it, despite claims of having seen them, leading me to use it as a byword for "ship of which photographic documentation is absent from evidence, despite such documentation being purported to exist."
Keep in mind that back in the '90's, nobody had little cameras on their cell phones (and most people didn't have cell phones at all), and digital cameras didn't exist, never mind the internet in any usable fashion like it is now. We often take for granted how easy it is today to get information than it was even just 20 years ago. So I'm not surprised photos of said model haven't turned up. Of course that's not to say that photos don't exist, just that they might not have been uncovered yet; whoever might have them may just need to be asked about them. Remember the BoBW kitbash pics?
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Yeah, I'm sure there is more of this kind of stuff out there waiting to be discovered in the analogue domain; it's just a question of getting people to actively dig for it, and you among others have made (and I hope continue to make) an admirable effort to that end, resulting in quite a few successes over the years. Here's hoping for more in the future!
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I recently watched 'Chain of Command' and I noticed two things:
1) There is only stock VFX of the Enterprise in those two episodes! Not a single new shot.
2) The Starfleet Operations diagram is visible on the observation deck for the first time. And guess what? Captain Jellico let the Cardassians straight into this room, where they could study it (now even better in HD!). This was either a brilliant ruse since the data was outdated for approx. 2 years or Captain Jellico was not so clever after all...
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That's hilarious! Obviously an oversight for the set dressing, but I wouldn't put it past Jellico to either plant the info as a distraction or as disinformation.
On the other hand, Starfleet security is so incompetent it could easily be the genuine info there.
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We know that the class of the USS Zhukov was changed from 'Rigel' to 'Ambassador' in this particular list, I guess this was done on purpose to derange the Cardassians!
By the way, Picard is not any better: In 'The Chase' they have a Cardassian and a Klingon in the observation lounge while the list is visible on a viewscreen.
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Jellico and Picard...yeah, I can definitely see them adhering to some Starfleet Security protocol to display a bunch of (mostly) nonsense as disinformation.
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I am speaking of the real world setting here. I would think that both the Cardassians and the Klingons would have knowledge of where the majority of the Federation starships were located.
The more I read history, the more that I realized that the depiction of fleets in Star Trek is based primary on a 19th century vision of sea power. Ships needing to be resupplied with fuel and consumables at naval ports, and ships transferring personnel at sea. Battles of manned ships at close distance. And, the idea that sailors fight on board ship and on land is far older in time, dating back to antiquity. (There wasn't the strict division of naval and land forces until the modern era.)
This is far from the model of naval warfare we have nowadays. Though ships still get fuel and consumables at port, the emphasis is on keeping them longer at sea, so there are supply ships and tankers. And ships fight at great distances. And a new concept is emerging - power projection. Power Projection
I find the changes in TNG HD inconsistent. There is a minor change made to an okudgram that appears in one scene (see Unification Part I), while in another episode (see A Matter of Time) we have the set appearing above the shuttlebay set. For myself, I would have prioritize the latter over the former.
Then, whoever rewrote the Redemption II texts that Data read, had a fetish for technobabble porn. It's incomprensible.
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I guess most of you have know seen those two new trailers that are available for season 7 and All Good Things. Did anybody found something interesting in it?
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quote: Then, whoever rewrote the Redemption II texts that Data read, had a fetish for technobabble porn. It's incomprensible.
Ok, compare this:
"Remarkable hypergeometric tachyon invariants vanish orthogonal to time axis T (N) and is compatible with the assumption that local quantum / Brettner functions are unstable in a transition state."
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"The Bohm interpretation of quantum mechanics hypothesizes that the state of the universe evolves smoothly through time with no collapsing of quantum wavefunctions."
One is from 'Redemption 'and the other one is from a Wikipedia article about the 'EPR Paradox'. Maybe the author of the text from 'Redemption' is the next Einstein...
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I heard a new word for technobabble from a commentary for Doctor Who - babble talk.
For myself, I don't see the connection between what was written in the Okudagram and what Data was attempting to do, which was to "remove the veil", thus revealing the Romulan ships.
Personally, I would have liked to have seen more connection. Say, like including history of the Romulan cloaking technology and Federation efforts to unmask cloaked ships, and diagrams.
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quote:Originally posted by o2: I guess most of you have know seen those two new trailers that are available for season 7 and All Good Things. Did anybody found something interesting in it?
Other than the deleted scene for AGT with the "Talarians," there was nothing I hadn't already seen before.
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There was a scene where Riker and, I think, Worf are gagging on their drinks. According to TrekCore, this is a deleted scene from "Masks".
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