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I just watched part of the scene over at Stardock Alpha and the Odyssey had taken some heavy damage before being rammed. One nacelle had been hit and was flickering badly. Could be they didn't have enough power left for the shields to save them. In a no-win situation, you go for the desperate measures, as in all power to weapons and hope we can actually destroy them before they can destroy us.
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To further idolize my favorite guest captain in a Trek show (hey, he was more likeable than Jellico, and the standard guests usually were idiots), I'd like to say that he went down because of the DS9 heroes. What would have made the most sense for him to do would have been to warp out, fire a few torps, warp back in, fire potshots, warp out, fire again... His ship was one of the fastest in Starfleet, and one with potent long-range weaponry that could be used when short-range weapons and shields so unexpectedly failed.
But he couldn't do that. He could barely maneuver at impulse - he was being held back by two runabouts with either too inexperienced or too independent pilots, inferior warp drives and lower-power shields. He couldn't very well start shooting torps when a near-miss could vaporize one of the runabouts, and he couldn't pull unexpected maneuvers since the runabouts weren't tied to his ship's computers and would be even more confused than the Jemmies. And he couldn't hop to warp when his "escorts" couldn't follow. His best chances seemed to be with making a stand and hoping that the runabouts could finish their part of the mission (retrieving Sisko and Quark) soon enough.
If he had refused to accept the "help" from the runabouts, what would have happened? Well, he would have tried to rescue Sisko from that planet all by himself, probably would have succeeded (or allowed to succeed), but the Jemmies would still have made an example of him, and then Sisko and Quark would be dead, too. Killing a Galaxy class ship would probably have been more valuable to the Dominion than sneaking in that Vorta agent of theirs.
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I thought Eric Pierpoint as the captain of the Malinche was pretty cool. Apropos of nothing. . .
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I don't think the dominion would have gone to all the trouble of trying to plant a spy in federation the alpha quadrant and then go and kill her just because she happens to ba aboard a very tempting target. Besides for all we know she could have been a founder as we havn't seen any other Vorta display telekinetic talents or the good eyesight needed to shoot straight. However she could have been specially engineered with those traights by the founders as a means to escape. BTW does anyone else think that the dominion already had a covert presence in the alph quadrant at this point? after all we never foundout where she transported to, I don't think you can beam through the wormhole.
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I dunno about the "warp out, fire, warp in" thing. Almost all battles in Trek are conducted at Impulse speed, and there has to be a reason. Maybe they're a strategic nightmare, or maybe it's really easy to shoot down a ship at warp (which is why the SOA fleet slowed down to Impulse to clear a way through the Dom/Cardie fleet, rather than trying to warp all the way to DS9).
I'd say he made the right move though regarding the shields. They obviously weren't doing anything. Might as well put their power into something useful, rather than keeping them around in case the Jem Hadar deceide to ram the ship (which didn't seem too likely, did it?). And the argument that the Enterprise would have transferred Auxillery power to the phasers instead? Pah. I'd guess the Odyssey had already done that. The ship was in bad shape, and I'm guessing Keong was throwing everything he had at them.
The Odyssey WAS firing torps anyway. Just not when we were looking.
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And of course half of Keogh's officers were Changelings anyway, feeding the Jem'Hadar the shield frequencies of the ship (which fooled the Feds into thinking that polaron beams are something special and can pass through shields) and slowing down repair efforts. They also made sure to keep the shields down so that they could transport out without any risk during the final ramming run...
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I was thinking about the whole Yamato 1305-E thingy... maybe that was just a "Nick Name Registry" and was only applied for a short time for a special occassion... and then went back to its 7**** number after the "celebrations" were over.
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After reading the posts i have to say that I think Captain Keogh did the right thing. Firstly, the Odyssey was being hit anyway with shields up or down. Secondly, with more power the Odyssey can do more damage to the Jemhadar fighters and probably have an increase in the rate of phaser fire. Personally, I think picard would have done the same.
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Re: Cause and Effect- I believe that the Ent-D suffered a much larger impact to the nacelle which damaged most, if not all, of the Warp Engine Grills (look at the way the Bozeman hit the Ent-D). Since these grills regulate plasma to create Warp power, severe damage to a large number of grills might cause a severe plasma feedback that is a much bigger problem. This feedback can explain why A: the Core shutdown initiated by Geordi was not successful due to the plasma backflow, and B: the resulting buildup of plasma in the Starboard Nacelle caused some sort of "explosion", sending the Ent-D into its deadly spin.
As for the Oddysey, it probably suffered damage to at least one of the grills. Also recall that Keogh ordered Engineering to get the damaged Nacelle back online. One can only speculate that the damage to that nacelle was not serious.
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I'd say the damage was pretty serious. The nacelle was hit several times in the opening volley, disabling it and preventing the ship from escaping at warp.
BTW, this may be a little late in the discussion but the Jem'hadar ship didn't actually collide with the deflector dish. If you watch closely, frame by frame you'll see that it actually strikes the torpedo bay. Those of you with a copy of the CD-ROM Encyclopedia can easily check this. One can argue that the torpedo bay would make a more logical target, given that the Jem'hadar might have wanted to disarm and capture the ship if the suicide run did not destroy the ship. Not very likely considering that the script writers would never bother to think of such a pointless detail, but there it is.
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